🎧 Spurs Insider️ 播客: 克里斯·保罗的影响力能有多大？

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Spurs Insider Podcast, 2024-10-16 02:17:00

由生成式人工智能翻译，译文内容可能不准确或不完整，以原文为准。

专栏作家麦克·芬格（Mike Finger）和特派记者杰夫·麦克唐纳（Jeff McDonald）以及汤姆·奥斯伯恩（Tom Orsborn）讨论了克里斯·保罗（Chris Paul）可能影响马刺队本赛季的方式，并展望了围绕维克多·文班亚马（Victor Wembanyama）的阵容问题，这些问题可能会影响到哈里森·巴恩斯（Harrison Barnes）和杰里米·索汉（Jeremy Sochan）。

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以下是播客的文字记录：

麦克·芬格：这里是马刺内幕，从北美各地高度安全的绝密网络为您播报。在常规赛开始前一周，我们又迎来了季前赛版本。我是你们的主持人麦克·芬格，与我一起的是《圣安东尼奥新闻快报》的马刺队特派记者汤姆·奥斯伯恩和杰夫·麦克唐纳。新赛季开始了。汤姆已经在路上了。我认为他现在在一个对他来说全新的安全地点，一个他从未去过的地方。汤姆，在南海滩，能看见大海的地方，感觉怎么样？

汤姆·奥斯伯恩：令人愉快。是的。令人愉快。上周，你知道，飓风过境时的天气预报是下雨。但这里的天气，非常好，非常好。是的，和往常一样，这是一次很棒的旅行。你们在 13 年和 14 年的总决赛中都很熟悉这个地方，对吧？回到迈阿密，即使是季前赛，常规赛，也会让你想起那段时光吗？汤姆，你会不会发现自己在回想我们在那两场史诗般的总决赛中创造的回忆？

汤姆·奥斯伯恩：会的。真的会。你知道，我，我在南海滩的一个秘密地点。嗯。我总是要去一个地方，这次我没有住在这家酒店，它叫蓝月亮。是的。我对那个地方有很好的回忆。2013 年和我们已故的同事蒂姆·格里芬（Tim Griffin）一起住在那里。他是一个伟大的人。我们非常想念你。是的，蒂姆在做，还记得他在季后赛期间做的那个整版报道吗？那是我们的一个主要内容。第二版，是的。或者季后赛报道。是的，这是一个不落俗套的、由蒂姆收集的、包罗万象的整版报道，没有人能比得上他。是的。在那次旅行中，我是他的助手。他带我去了所有地方。在那次旅行中，他点了多少顿饭，却没吃完？我知道你会提这个。我知道你会提这个。是的。蒂姆·格里，是的。是的，他，他，他比任何人都了解餐馆。嗯哼。他真的做到了。他整个行程都在告诉我，我们得去这家犹太熟食店。它在城郊，我们可以在去机场的路上，你知道，无论什么时候走，我们都可以，我们可以停在那里。嗯。果然，我们停了下来，他告诉我，我要一份玛莎球汤。你呢，不。我要一份熏牛肉三明治。你不能错过这家店。我看过关于它的报道。评价很高。食物很棒。嗯。当然，他点了所有这些，喝了一口玛莎球汤，我想就是这样。然后，他没有失望地离开了。你知道，那一勺玛莎球汤就让他心满意足了。当然，我把所有东西都吃了。你知道，但这就是蒂姆。他能带你去最好的餐馆，是的。但他只会在那里吃一点点东西。我想我们这辈子都应该满足于一勺真正美味的玛莎球汤。我想说的就是这个。这就是我们这周要给听众们的。我们不会给他们整整一个小时。我们不会给他们整整一个小时。是的。继续。我，对不起，迈克。他是一个身材极好的人，因为他经常走路。他喜欢走路，但他也喜欢那样吃饭。他只是喜欢带人去餐馆，但他自己却不怎么吃。本着蒂姆·格里芬的精神，我们这周不会给你带来一顿盛宴。那些上周四参加我们 In Vivo Zoom 会议的人，我们真的非常感谢你们。我们收到了一些很棒的问题。我们录制了整整一个小时的视频，如果你稍微搜索一下，就能在 YouTube 上找到。去《圣安东尼奥新闻快报》的主页，查看 In Vivo 的内容。它的标题是，马刺队特派记者们讨论本赛季的情况。找到它应该不难。但是，我们整整一个小时都在回答你们上周四提出的问题。它没有出现在播客上，但我们真诚地感谢大家提出的问题。这是一场很棒的活动。如果你想查询，就去查询吧。我们今天不会录制整整一个小时。我们会给你一小段。事实上，我回去看了。真的吗？是的，是的。我，我的感想是，现在，现在我明白我们为什么要关掉摄像机了。你说得对。所以，我们这周的节目内容会少一些。汤姆，你想从哪里开始呢，季前赛？我先从他那里开始。因为到目前为止的季前赛包括一场维克多·文班亚马的比赛，两场克里斯·保罗的比赛，但球员们基本上都在摸索，球队的阵容会是什么样子，轮换阵容会是什么样子，没有德文·瓦塞尔（Devin Vassell）的比赛。但是，汤姆，到目前为止季前赛的进展报告如何？你知道，在第一场比赛之后，这些季前赛就过去了。还剩四场，你知道。但是，是的，我的意思是，你不能从他们身上得到太多，因为他们在阵容方面太不协调了，你知道。传统观点认为，最后两场比赛中的一场将是常规赛的彩排，但是，正如扎克·科林斯（Zach Collins）周六晚上在我问他这个问题时所说的那样，谁知道教练会怎么想，你知道，谁知道。但是，是的。文班，你知道，球迷们渴望看到他更多比赛，但马刺队像往常一样，尤其是在对待他的问题上，采取了谨慎的做法。你知道，他度过了一个忙碌的夏季奥运会，等等。他们让他休息。球迷们对此很抓狂，但这，这是明智的做法。波波维奇周六确实说过，他预计文班会在最后两场季前赛中上场。我想这可能会改变。但是，这似乎是，暂定的计划是在迈阿密和休斯顿上场。所以，也许，也许客场的球迷可以稍微期待一下。杰夫，上周，我们，在 In Vivo 的 YouTube Zoom 会议上，向观众们讲述了第一场维克多和克里斯·保罗的比赛。但是，我们还没有在马刺内幕播客上讨论过，只是简单介绍一下。简单介绍一下，关于，关于第一场克里斯·保罗和维克多·文班亚马的组合之夜。我的意思是，你知道，正如我们在 In Vivo 上提到的，全世界，或者至少是所有关注马刺队的球迷，都在想象着克里斯·保罗第一次助攻维克多·文班亚马完成空接上篮的画面，就像从 7 月份克里斯签约以来，这一幕就在他们的脑海中回荡。然后，我们终于在那场对阵魔术队的比赛中看到了。花了他们大约，第一节 11 分 42 秒。就像，就在第一节快结束的时候，但他们最终还是通过一个底线挡拆配合完成了，但是，但是，除此之外，就像，就像每年的这个时候一样，他们的联系仍在进行中。一切都在进行中。有一些好的时刻。也有一些不同步的时刻，但是，你肯定看到了，为什么每个人都如此兴奋地想看到，可以说是同时代最优秀的控球后卫，绝对是最优秀的挡拆控球后卫，在本赛季与维克多·文班亚马联手。对于这位老将控球后卫在这个季前赛中的表现，大家的评价如何？他在周六又打了一场比赛，但是，你觉得，你觉得他在成为一名马刺球员的过程中表现如何？到目前为止，所有的评价都，都很好。在他休息的那场比赛中，他一直在大声说话，你知道，你，如果你观察替补席，你会发现他在暂停期间非常活跃，和每个人交谈，你采访过的所有球员，你采访过的所有年轻球员都说，他一直都在这里，在球场上，在场边，在更衣室里。希望这在 82 场比赛中不会让人厌烦，但是，就目前而言，每个人都真的很，真的很高兴有他在身边。我的意思是，他，他，我知道这是一个陈词滥调，但，这就像在，在，在更衣室里，在球队会议上，又多了一个教练，一个经历过 NBA 中所有可能情况的人，现在正在传授他的知识。还有在球场上，你知道，我们知道他来这里是打球的。而且，你知道，他已经不是 29 岁时的那个球员了，但你绝对可以看到他，他组织挡拆的方式，他组织进攻的方式，以及一些，年轻球员，他们之间的区别，传球非常精准。我记得是，我记得是扎克·科林斯前几天告诉我们的，就像，你执行挡拆，你甚至看不到传球的空间，突然间，球就出现在你手中。诸如此类的事情。所以，他会在，在，在这两方面帮助他们。他不会是全明星克里斯·保罗，我想我们都知道。他已经 39 岁了。他不会打满 82 场比赛。他能打 60 场就算幸运了。但是，但是，这 60 场比赛应该会比我们去年看到的一些，更混乱的比赛更有条理，而且，更稳定。可以这么说，你知道，他坐在替补席上，每场比赛的座位安排都一样，是，是克里斯·保罗坐在，维克多的右边。然后维克多旁边，维克多旁边是德文。而且，可以说维克多从坐在克里斯·保罗旁边学到的东西比他上场打球要多，因为他们，他们，正如，正如杰夫所说，他们在比赛中一直在聊天，而且这不是，你知道，从，从媒体席的视角来看，你知道，他们不是在闲聊，他们不是在开玩笑。你知道，他，他指着球场上的东西。维克多点点头，你知道，也许维克多从中学到的东西比他在球场上要多。我相信他们已经想到了这一点。就像，那是，那是，就像杰夫说的，克里斯·保罗在这里，在他的脑海里，因为这里是 NBA 中唯一一个让他打球的地方。就像，这是，这是给了他一份工作的地方。马刺队给了他这份工作，就是因为汤姆说的那些东西。就像，他们需要这个。这，这不仅仅是打球，还有所有的一切。在克里斯·保罗的第一场比赛结束后，格雷格·波波维奇提到他，汤姆，他说了什么，他说他有一段时间只是听着他说话，就着了迷。是的。对，对在球队会议上，在球场上，对球员们说，我怎么就没想到呢？你知道？克里斯会说些什么。他说，我怎么就没想到呢？是的。而且，就像杰夫说的，这最终可能会让人厌烦，但是，在短期内，这只是，我们之前提到过，房间里多了一个成年人真是太好了，你知道马刺队在季前赛的首场比赛是对阵俄克拉荷马雷霆队，而且，他们之间有一些相似之处，就克里斯·保罗在雷霆队效力的那一年给雷霆队带来的东西而言。情况很相似。而且，俄克拉荷马雷霆队是一支，正在崛起的球队。他们很年轻。他们有一些，他们只是需要有人为他们指明通往下一级的道路，而克里斯在那里待了 1 天，如果你和谢伊·吉尔杰斯-亚历山大（Shai Gilgeous-Alexander）这样的人交谈，他会告诉你，克里斯在那短短一年里对他的职业生涯产生了巨大的影响。雷霆队教练，马克·戴格诺特（Mark Daigneault）在克里斯在那里的时候是那里的助理教练。然后，你听到我说的话了。然后，他，你听到我说的话了。他继续说，关于克里斯，以及他给，这又勾起了我的回忆，对吧，迈克？他接着说，是的。在，在那短短的一个赛季里，雷霆队，有很多相似之处，这有点，有点意思。而且，马刺队希望克里斯能在这里做同样的事情。这，这，就是让每个人，向他展示如何做到这一点。教给他们诀窍。告诉他们如何应对这种情况，那种情况，比赛末段的情况，以及，在一个稳定的水平上赢得篮球比赛的所有细微差别。这就是马刺队今年可以从克里斯·保罗身上学到的东西。而且，他在俄克拉荷马城的时候就展示过这一点。然后，我，我认为马刺队有理由乐观地认为，他在这里也能产生同样的影响，几年后，你知道，也许维克多会谈论，你知道，克里斯·保罗对他进入下一个阶段有多大的影响。而且，看起来，看起来，看起来他不会惹恼他们。波波维奇在谈到自己着迷的那段话中，他，他最后说，你知道，他做事的方式很正确，他让他们对自己感觉良好。而且，如果你有一个，你知道，一个试图，试图成为领导者的人，强迫他，强迫他进入领导角色，并且喋喋不休，那是一回事，然后是另一回事，另一回事，是的，如果你有一个像他这样的名人堂级别的老将，你知道，他指出来是因为他想让你变得更好。你知道，这两者之间有很大的区别。关于这一点，我实际上和俄克拉荷马城的人聊过。因为克里斯确实，确实在联盟的一些角落里，有点，有点难相处。篮球？是的，也许这样说更好。我，我问，俄克拉荷马城的球员，他，他那年是什么样子的，他，他，他有没有让人厌烦？然后，他说，他说，没有，你知道，克里斯之所以会有这样的名声，是因为他们是一支年轻的球队。就像，他对年轻球员更有耐心。他在教导一支年轻的球队。他们不是，显然，他对，他对，克里斯·保罗对，比如说，休斯顿的容忍度更低，当他在休斯顿的时候，想想看，和他一起在休斯顿效力的球员，那些经验丰富、应该更懂事、应该知道如何约束自己、应该知道如何行动、应该知道如何保持专业的球员。据我所知，这比，你知道，学习比赛的孩子，犯错误更能激起克里斯·保罗的，易怒。而且，所以，我认为这里面有一个，有一个区别，可能值得关注。这支马刺队将由犯错的年轻球员组成，而不是，不专业的资深球员，根据我所听到的，这就是克里斯，过去与其他队友之间的一些问题所在。当你们在谈论这个问题的时候，汤姆，特别是关于，成为球队一员的想法，以及，让那个家伙领导球队，在球场上领导球队，如果你愿意这样说的话，让你厌烦，变得烦人，就像，就像只是一味地批评你，就像汤姆，汤姆根本就不会明白，对吧？所以，你想说什么？我只是说，就像，就像，让，让，让球队的控球后卫，球队的，如果你愿意这样说的话，主持人，让那个家伙不讨人喜欢。就像你不会，你不会知道那是什么感觉。我以为你会提起，我没有恶意，但是埃弗里·约翰逊（Avery Johnson），你知道，有点像。哦，不。不，不。不，我没有那么刻薄。因为在节目开始前，汤姆在谈论，我对汤姆·奥斯伯恩做了一些无关紧要的评论，关于，关于，我为他感到骄傲。然后，你对这句话的欣赏似乎太过火了。你对，你对我的看法，似乎不太真诚。那是，那是，那是，你知道，20 多年的怨恨爆发了。我想说的就是这个。我想说的就是这个。你知道，我已经忍受了，你知道，这么多年。嗯哼。而且，克里斯·保罗只会，但我知道他不会在这里待 20 年。他只会在这里待几个月。是的。我，我把自己看作是，贾巴尔，而你是魔术师约翰逊。你，你是一个年轻，你，你是一个年轻人，但是，你想要，你，你希望这位年迈的，老将好。是的。你，你根本不了解麦克·芬格。遗憾的是，我了解。这才是真正的真实。好了。我们结束了，In Vivo 只是一些快速的预测，我想做一个，我想，我们在赛季开始前再做一个节目。但是，杰夫提到了克里斯·保罗在俄克拉荷马城的那个赛季。情况非常不同。就像，那，那是一支年轻的球队，但是，比这支球队更准备好的年轻球队。稍微，是的。那支球队，克里斯·保罗效力的那一年，取得了 44 胜 28 负的战绩，排名西部第五。但是，就像，那是，那是，之前的几年呢？哦，之前的几年？他们更好。他们取得了 49 胜 33 负的战绩。哦，真的吗？是的。这完全出乎我的意料。好吧，让我们，让我们就说，让我们，我们能回到过去，把我们刚才说的话都删掉吗？好吧，让我看看这是否正确。这是对的。我不认为这是对的。这是对的。但这是另一种情况，他们，克里斯身边都是年轻球员。而且，就像你说的，需要有人推动他们前进。这，这，NBA 的成功，NBA 的进步不是线性的，正如我们一直说的那样。而且，那，那，这，这为，就像我认为马刺队希望的那样，为未来奠定了基础，但是，这两种情况之间存在着，一个显著的区别。就像，克里斯·保罗加入的那支雷霆队，远没有这支马刺队那么糟糕，也没有这支马刺队那么长的路要走。我想说的是，我们上周在 In Vivo 上做的预测，我认为我们都在 34、35、36 胜左右。我们，我们还坚持这个预测吗？而且，我们想在本周的节目中，更多地探讨我们这样预测的理由吗？杰夫，你上周的预测是多少？我想我说的是 36 胜。36 胜。好吧，让我们告诉一下在家收听的听众，顺便说一下，他们可以在 Express News.com 上阅读你们更多，的内容。然后是《圣安东尼奥新闻快报》，解释一下你预测 36 胜的理由。我的意思是，这对人们来说听起来可能很低，但是，这与他们去年的成绩相比，已经是一个很大的进步了。而且，而且，你知道，我们有理由期待他们会取得进步，这是肯定的。但是，我，我实际上，我认为预测一支球队从 22 胜提高到 36 胜，是一个，是一个相当大胆的预测。这太大了。比，就像我说的，我说的是 34 胜，你，你赢了 33 场，那就是 50% 的进步，这太大了。而且，你知道，我，我只是，我不像，我们都，汤姆也在 35、36 胜左右。汤姆，我也想听听你的想法。但是，那是，那是一个巨大的进步，而且，这可能不会让你进入附加赛。所以，看看，克里斯·保罗、哈里森·巴恩斯，基本上是每个人，如何处理，这个想法，这支球队可能会取得很大的进步，但仍然无法进入，进入他们都想进入的比赛，这将会很有趣。但是，我，我，我认为，就像 2020 年的雷霆队，或者克里斯·保罗效力的那一年。这，这是球队需要迈出的一步。你不能，你不能跳过任何一步，正如马刺队一直说的那样，一直说的那样。而且，一个，一个，一个，一个很大的因素是西部联盟太残酷了。是的。就像，哪些球队是你能明确地说，马刺队在全员健康的情况下，明确地说他们比哪些球队强？也许，也许是犹他爵士队。也许是波特兰开拓者队，就这些了。是的，而且，他们在第一，在，在赛季前 10 场比赛中就遇到了他们，他们要和犹他爵士队交手两次，和波特兰开拓者队交手一次。最好赢下那些比赛。最好赢下那些比赛，因为他们还要在客场对阵达拉斯独行侠队、休斯顿火箭队两次、俄克拉荷马雷霆队、明尼苏达森林狼队、洛杉矶快船队。是的。而且，我们还在 In Vivo 上提到过，你知道，另一个因素是，那些可能会掉队的球队，或者说，要么是那些因为老将不高兴而，而内讧的球队，然后，一切都土崩瓦解，要么是一些，但出现像贾·莫兰特（Ja Morant）那样的重大伤病。但是，你可能会把，快船队和太阳队视为内讧的候选者。那些都是很好的阵容。那些都是很好的球队。然后，还有孟菲斯灰熊队，就像，我认为他们会变得更好，但是，你知道，这些，这些都是非常好的球队，他们期望的不仅仅是进入附加赛，而是进入季后赛。他们可能会在联盟，在西部联盟中排名第 11 或 12 名。所以，我们再次，有点像是在为本地球迷设定本赛季的期望值。我，我，我认为，认为他们会比过去几年好很多，这绝对是正确和可以理解的，而且，也是对的。这可能不会转化为季后赛，附加赛的席位。36 胜，这是我的预测，你知道，正如我提到的，这对一个赛季来说是一个相当大的进步。那将比他们去年进入附加赛，少赢 10 场比赛。是的。是的。很遗憾，你知道，很遗憾，但是，他们，他们离附加赛还有很长的路要走，而且，要到达那里需要付出很多努力。就像，休斯顿赢了，休斯顿取得了 41 胜 41 负的战绩，而且，他们真的没有接近，你知道。没有接近附加赛。我的意思是，他们最终落后了 5 个胜场。是的。这是，这是一个残酷的联盟。是的，我，我，我，我只是，我刚才走神了，我刚才在想。目的达成。残酷，残酷。只是，只是让你分心了，迈克。哦，是的。但是，他们会有更好的机会，他们在东部会有更好的机会，我们都知道。就像，东部是，我实际上，如果他们，如果马刺队是东部联盟的球队，我，我会看好他们获得一个附加赛席位，但是，因为上个赛季在东部，36 胜就能让你进入附加赛。这看起来不公平。看起来不公平。这是有预谋的。就是这样。他们应该取消 NBA 的选举人团制度。我认为应该是一胜，一，一，一票，一，一。我厌倦了东部球队所有这些不公平的待遇。我刚才想说的就是这个，那，我们别再说这个了。是的。而且，他们在前，21 场比赛中，只和，一支东部球队交手。好吧，他们最好赢下那场比赛。他们要对阵谁，华盛顿奇才队。他们在主场，首先，对阵一支糟糕的东部球队。在主场。是的。他们最好赢下那场比赛。有一场胜利会让他们在你的马刺队的赛程中，拥有一些必须赢下的比赛。真有你的。我的意思是，是的。格雷格·波波维奇如果不能赢下其中一些比赛，他的帅位就不保了。不，我认为有，我讨厌这些，顺便说一下，不要赌博，不要关注，不要关注所有这些荒谬的，体育博彩广告和网站，除非他们赞助我们。但是，本赛季第一位被解雇的教练的赔率出来了，而且，我认为格雷格·波波维奇排在最后，这是应该的。他不会，他不会失去他的，他的位置。好吧，赔率是多少？比如，100 万赔 1？差不多吧。那我要去赌 1 美元。克里斯。就像，你，你有什么损失？除了 1 美元？是的。也许还有你的尊严。我刚才想说的是，我们在 In Vivo 上进行的简短讨论是。我一直在宣传这个，因为它是一个非常有趣的活动。关于，我偏离了哈里森·巴恩斯的话题，然后，我们当时在谈论，对，对马刺队本赛季的场上成功，最重要的球员。基本上，我的观点是，他不需要打出一个很棒的哈里森·巴，巴恩斯赛季，巴恩斯赛季，就像马刺队需要德文·瓦塞尔和凯尔登·约翰逊（Keldon Johnson）这样的球员打出精彩的赛季一样。当然。你，你们还认为，或者，我想，我，我要，我要抛出这个问题，来回顾一下当时的讨论，然后，说出你认为哪些球员必须打出精彩的赛季，马刺队才能，才能取得杰夫所说的那种飞跃。好吧，回到，那个话题。嗯。你知道，我认为，我认为你很不高兴，或者，你知道，你在质疑，我并没有说他必须，你知道，他是最重要的球员之一。我只是说，如果他们想拿到 35、36 胜，我认为他们需要每个人都打得很好，包括哈里森·巴恩斯。他不是最重要的球员，但，但，远远不是。但是，你知道，他的出色表现将帮助他们实现目标，这是肯定的。我认为，我认为你可能是对的。我认为，但是，回顾当时的讨论，我认为我们本可以更，我，我并不是要完全否定哈里森·巴恩斯的重要性。我认为，我想表达的观点，可能表达得不太好，那就是，一般来说，阵容中总会有球员打出一个低于他们自己标准的赛季。而且，如果在前七，八名轮换球员中，如果哈里森·巴恩斯是表现稍差的那一个，我认为马刺队会接受的。是的。如果，如果，如果假设排名前五，六的球员，都超出了预期。我认为，推动这场讨论的部分原因是，哈里森·巴恩斯在季前赛中的表现并不好。而且，这是否只是，是的。你知道，老将们往往需要一段时间才能进入状态，一旦他找到了，常规赛的感觉，他就会没事的。我，我，我认为，认为这是，这是一个合理的观点，但是，我，我，我，而且，这可能是，这可能是近因偏差的问题，我们对他在马刺队的所有印象，都不是，都不是特别好。然后，我们，我们还在想，瓦塞尔可能会在赛季的第一周复出，他会首发出场。你，你，你要，你要怎么解决这个问题？我的意思是，如果，如果，所以，如果哈里森在赛季初表现不佳，他，他会是那个替补出场的人吗？我的意思是，我不知道，但是，我，我只是觉得你已经在尝试拼凑拼图了。而且，如果哈里森·巴恩斯看起来不像，你知道，过去那个哈里森·巴恩斯了，也许他就是那个，让你拼图完整的人，然后，替补出场。我，我不知道这是不是真的，但是，当你问，他对球队的贡献有多重要，我，我在想他可能会替补出场，你知道。我，我不知道，但是，他可能会。我当时，这个周末在达拉斯沃斯堡地区报道橄榄球比赛，而且，我，我没有时间，仔细分析周六的那场季前赛，但是，有更多，哈里森·巴恩斯和杰里米·索汉一起上场的时间吗？或者，他们两个都上场了吗？是的，他们都上场了。你觉得到目前为止，通过三场比赛，他们的配合怎么样？我认为，这是一个很大的问题。这两个人能一起打球吗？他们的位置有点相似。我认为索汉看起来还不错，因为他只是在做，做，做那些，他能做的事情。只是，只是空切，然后找到空间，然后，充满活力地打球，就像他，我们，我们知道他不能打控球后卫，而且，我们知道他不会成为一名稳定的射手，但是，只是那些他时不时做出的，聪明的举动，小范围的穿插跑动，抢篮板，抢到篮板后推进，推进球。就像，他，他看起来，我不会说他在季前赛中看起来像个球星，但是，他本赛季的表现比，你知道，去年，他要尝试打控球后卫的时候，要稳固得多。而且，嗯。巴恩斯，看起来就像一名老将，你知道，在季前赛初期，要努力在一支新球队中找到自己的定位。对于，比如，30 多岁的球员来说，在 NBA 的季前赛中表现不佳，这并不罕见。就像，我，我不知道他们是怎么，我不知道他们是怎么，我不认为他们是这样安排他们的赛季的，就他们赛季的节奏而言。就像，在季前赛中全力以赴。所以，也许，这就是原因之一。但是，好吧，我问你，抛开这种，动态，我相信你可以的，哈里森·巴恩斯是一名经验丰富、受人尊敬的老将，他自愿来到这里，他很高兴来到这里，如果你，如果你把这些因素排除在外，他可能会首发出场。他已经连续 2 年，打满了 82 场比赛。他现在已经连续 2 年，打满了 82 场比赛。而且，你不能就这样排除在外，因为他不是在真空中打篮球。而且，还有感情，还有动态，还有所有这些东西，但是，就篮球本身而言。当德文·瓦塞尔回归时，你认为对本地球迷来说，更好的轮换阵容，更好的首发阵容，更好的场上阵容，是让朱利安·尚帕尼（Julian Champagnie）继续首发，与德文·瓦塞尔和杰里米·索汉一起，让哈里森·巴恩斯替补出场？还是让朱利安·尚帕尼回到替补席，让，瓦塞尔和索汉、巴恩斯一起首发？我，我可以为这两种选择辩护。我，我认为，其中一些可能是近因偏差，但是，尚帕尼在本赛季的表现非常好，他做到了他应该做的事情。只是接球投篮，接球投篮，接球投篮。而且，这就是你需要围绕，维克多·文，维克多·文班亚马，以及克里斯·保罗，甚至是德文·瓦塞尔，这样的球员打球的球员，你不需要给他们喂球，但是，如果，如果，如果球到了他们手里，而且他们在三分线外无人防守，他们就能投进。而且，尚帕尼在前三场季前赛中，在这方面做得很好。现在，这只是三场季前赛，样本量非常小。他能保持下去吗？如果他能做到，我认为，我们有理由让他继续首发。这种选择的另一面是，你的替补席也需要投篮，你知道。所以，如果你的首发阵容中都是射手，我的意思是，也许更大的问题是，马刺队的阵容中没有足够多的，你认为可以成为 40% 三分球命中率的球员。就像，也许是德文，也许是尚帕尼。我们已经看到马穆克（Mamuk）在季前赛中投进了三分球。除了他之外，而且，我，我不知道维克多是否能达到 40% 的命中率，你知道。所以，除此之外，你不会希望你所有的射手都在同一支球队里。40%，40% 是一个重要的，是的，我刚才说了什么？词。你说你担心他不能达到 40%。我是在担心他。是的，我是在说命中率。对不起。哦，你不希望他打到 40 岁。这，这，这，这，是的。我认为，拜托，伙计。我的意思是，我不可能活到看到他打到 40 岁，但是，这是，这是真的。所以，但是，我还是祝他好运。嗯。但是，但不管怎样，所以，我可以理解，也许，也许让其中一名射手，比如尚帕尼替补出场，这样，你的替补席上就会有更多射手，也是。真正的问题是，他们需要更多射手。是的。但是，我想，联盟中几乎每支球队都可以说，他们需要更多射手。他们在休赛期，并没有做太多事情来解决他们的投篮问题。他们真的希望，他们真的希望，

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How big can Chris Paul’s impact be?

Columnist Mike Finger and beat writers Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn discuss the ways Chris Paul can influence the Spurs season, and take a look at lineup questions around Victor Wembanyama that could affect Harrison Barnes and Jeremy Sochan.

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Here is the transcript of the podcast:

Mike Finger: From a highly secure network of top-secret locations across North America, this is the Spurs Insider. Another pre-season edition coming at you the week before the regular season begins. I am your host Mike Finger, joined by San Antonio Express News Spurs beat writers, Tom Orsborn and Jeff McDonald. The season is underway. Tom’s already on the road. He’s in his what I believe is a new secure location for him, one that he’s never been to before. Uh, within, uh, within view of an ocean, Tom. How are things in South Beach?

Tom Orsborn: Delightful. Um, yeah. Delightful. Um, last week, you know, with the hurricanes coming through the the forecast was for rain. But it’s, uh, it’s very nice, very nice here. Um, uh, yeah, it’s It’s a good trip as always. You guys know this area well, uh, from 13 and 14, 13 and 14 finals. Does it bring back memories when you go back to Miami even for a pre-season game, regular season? Do you think Do you find yourself thinking about the memories that we made during those two epic finals, Tom?

Tom Orsborn: It does. It really does. Um, you know, I’m I’m in an undisclosed, uh, location on South Beach. Mhm. And I always got to make a stop I’m not staying at this hotel this time, uh, it’s called the Blue Moon. Yeah. Um, but I have a really good memories of that place. Staying there in 2013 with one Tim Griffin, our late colleague. He was a great, great man. We miss you dearly. Yeah, Tim was doing the, uh, the Remember that full page he used to do during the playoffs? It was a staple. Page two, yeah. Or playoff coverage. Yeah, it was an off the beaten path full page of potpourri that Tim could gather like nobody else. Yeah. And And I was his sidekick on that trip. Uh, He took me all over the place. How many, uh, how many meals did he order and not finish on that on that trip? I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming. Yeah. Tim Gri Yeah. Yeah, he he he knew restaurants like no other. Uh-huh. He really did. And he was telling me the whole trip, There’s this Jewish deli we got to go to. It’s on the outskirts of town we can make it, uh, when we’re headed to the airport, you know, whenever we leave, we can we can stop there. Mhm. And sure enough, we stopped, and he’s telling me, I’m going to get matzo ball soup. Uh, are you, no. I’m going to get a pastrami sandwich. You can’t go wrong at this place. I’ve read about it. Great reviews. Great food. Mhm. And of course, he orders all that takes takes a spoonful of matzo ball soup, and I think that was it. And And he didn’t leave disappointed. You know, that one spoonful of matzo ball soup made his day. And of course, I’m eating everything. You know, but that was Tim. He could steer you to the best restaurants Yeah. where he would only nibble. I I think we should all in our lives be satisfied with one spoonful of really great matzo ball soup. That’s what I was going to say. That’s what we can give the listeners this week. We’re not going to give them a full hour. We’re not going to give them a full hour. Yeah. Go ahead. I’m Well, I’m sorry, Mike. He was an incredibly trim guy, and it was cuz he walked so much. He loved to walk, but he also dying like that. He just loved to take people to restaurants, and he wouldn’t partake. Well, in the spirit of Tim Griffin, we’re not going to give you a whole feast this week. Uh, those of you who joined us on the in vivo Zoom last Thursday, we really appreciate it. We had some great questions. Uh, we did a full hour on video, uh, which you can find on YouTube if you if you search a little bit. Go to the San Antonio Express News page and look at the in vivos. The the title of it is, uh, Spurs beat writers discuss the season. It It shouldn’t be too hard to find. But, we have a whole hour where we took your questions last Thursday. It wasn’t on the podcast, but sincerely we appreciate the questions. It was a great event. If you want to look it up, look it up. Uh, we’re not going to do a whole hour today. We’re going to give you a nibble. Actually, I went back and watched that. Did you, really? Yeah, yeah. My My take away is that now, uh, now I see why we turn off our cameras for this thing. That’s a good point. Uh, so, so, we have a less detailed show this week. Uh, but where Where do you want to start, Tom, at a pre-season game? I’ll start with him there. Um, because the pre-season has included as of this taping one Victor Wembanyama game, two Chris Paul games, uh, but guys just basically feeling out where uh, where the roster’s going to be, where the rotation’s going to be, no Devin Vassell games. Um, but, but, uh, progress reports so far in the pre-season, Tom? Well, you know, these these pre-season games have passed by after the first one. One down, four to go, you know. Um, But, yeah, I mean, there there’s You can’t get a whole lot from them because they’ve been so disjointed, uh, lineup wise, you know. Conventional wisdom says that one of these final two games will be a dress rehearsal for the regular season, but, as Zach Collins said when I asked him about that Saturday night, who knows with Coach, you know, who knows. Um, but, yeah. Wemby, you know, uh, fans are yearning to see more of him, but the Spurs are doing the prudent thing as they as they always do, especially with him. You know, he had a busy summer Olympics, uh, yada yada. They’re resting him. And uh, fans go nuts over it, but, it’s the smart thing to do. Pop did say on Saturday, he expected Wemby would play in the final two pre-season games. I suppose that’s subject to change. Um, but, it seemed to be that was the that was the, uh, tentative plan going forward was to play at Miami, and at Houston. So, maybe, maybe uh, the road fans can look forward to that a little bit. Jeff, we, uh, regaled the YouTube Zoom, uh, viewers last week on In Vivo with tales of the first Victor, Chris Paul game. But, we have not discussed it on the Spurs Insider podcast yet, just a the Cliff’s Notes version. Cliff’s Notes version on, uh, on on that first Chris Paul, Victor Wembanyama combo night. I mean, you know, uh, as we mentioned on the In Vivo thing, the whole world or at least all the Spurs watching world has been uh they’ve had visions of the first Chris Paul to Victor Wembanyama alley-oop lob pass like dancing in their heads since July when Chris signed here. And, we finally got it in in that game. Um, that against the Magic. It’s the It took them like, uh, 11 minutes and 42 seconds of the first quarter. Like, right there towards the end of it, but they finally got it on a little baseline pick and roll, but But, otherwise, like like everything else uh, at this time of year, um, that that connection is still work in progress. Everything’s work in progress. Um, there were some good moments. There were some out of sync moments, but, it You certainly saw, um, glimpses of why everyone’s so excited to see, um, arguably the best point guard and definitely the best pick and roll point guard of his generation team up with Victor Wembanyama this this season. What have been the reviews on just having that veteran point guard around this preseason? He played another game on Saturday, but, what do, uh, how do you feel like he’s done in terms of becoming a Spur? All All the reviews are are are good so far. And, he’s been very vocal with the game he sat out, you know, you you if you watched the bench, he was very active during timeouts, uh, talking to everybody, all the players you talked to, all the young guys you talked to said he’s just always in here, on the court, on the sideline, in the locker room. Um, hopefully that doesn’t that doesn’t wear people out over the course of 82 games, but, for right now, everybody is really um really excited to have him around. I I mean, he he he I know it’s a cliche, but, it’s like having another another coach in the in the locker room, in the huddle, um, someone that’s been through every possible situation that is possible to see in the NBA, now imparting that knowledge. Um, and, also on the floor, you know, we know he’s here to hoop. Um, and, you know, he’s not the same player he was at 29, but you can definitely see a difference between uh, the way he runs a pick and roll, the way he runs an offense, and some of the the younger guys just the the the passes are pinpoint. I think it was I think it was Zach Collins that was telling us, um, the other day, like, You run a pick and roll, and you don’t even see a space where a pass could even possibly be tried, and all of a sudden, the ball pops up in your hands. Like, that sort of thing. So, uh, he’s going to help them in in in both ways. He’s not going to be the All-Star Chris Paul, I think we all know that. He’s 39 years old. He’s not going to play in 82 games. They’ll be lucky if he plays in 60. But, But, those 60 should look a lot more organized, and um, uh, just stable than some of the the messier games we saw last year. A case uh, you know, a case can be made, he’s sitting on the bench and it’s always been the same, uh, seating arrangement each game. It’s It’s Chris Paul sitting next right next to to the right of, uh, Victor. And then Victor next to Victor is Devin. And, a case can be made maybe Victor’s getting more out of sitting next to Chris Paul than he would be playing, cuz they’re they’re As as as Jeff said, they’re talking throughout the game and it’s not, uh, you know, just from the from the eyeball eyeballs up in the media seating, you know, it’s not they’re not chopping it up, they’re not joking around. You know, he’s he’s pointing at stuff on the court. Victor’s nodding his head, and you know, maybe Victor’s getting more out of that than he would be on the court. I’m sure they’ve thought of that. Um, like, that that’s that’s part of, like, Jeff said, Chris Paul’s here in his mind, because this was the one place in the NBA that let him play. Like, this is This is the place that gave him a job. The The Spurs gave him that job because of stuff like Tom’s talking about. Like, they need that. It’s It’s not just the playing, it’s the all the stuff. Greg Popovich mentioned after Chris Paul’s first game that he What did he say, Tom, that he was mesmerized at some point just listening to him talk. Yeah. To the uh, to the guys in the huddle, on on the court, um, And saying, why didn’t I think of that? You know? Chris will say something. He says, Why didn’t I think of that? Yeah. And like like Jeff said, that might grate on people eventually, um, but, in the short term, it’s just We’ve mentioned this before, it’s it’s nice to have an another adult in the room and you know the Spurs opened their pre-season schedule against Oklahoma City, and, there are some parallels there, um, in terms of of of what Chris Paul brought to the Thunder in the one year he was in Oklahoma City. It was a similar situation. And, Oklahoma City was a a team kind of on the rise. They were very young. They had some They just needed someone to show them the way to the next level, and Chris was there for 1 day, and if you talk to like, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, he will tell you that that Chris made just such a massive impact on his career just in that one year. Um, you know, the Thunder coach uh, Mark Daigneault was an assistant there when Chris was there. And, he You heard me. And he went on uh, You heard me. He went on about Chris and what he brought to the That brings back memories, right, Mike? He went on about, yeah. Thunder during that just that It was one season, but there’s so many parallels there that it’s kind of It’s kind of interesting. And, the Spurs are hopeful that Chris can do the same thing here. It’s It’s It’s just give everybody just show him how it’s done. Show them the ropes. Uh, show them how to navigate this situation, that situation, late-game situations, just all the little nuances that go into, um, winning basketball games on a consistent level. That’s That’s what the Spurs can learn from Chris Paul this year. And, he he showed it in OKC when he was there. And, I I think the Spurs have reason to be optimistic he can have the same kind of effect here, where years from now, you know, maybe Victor’s talking about how you know, Chris Paul made such a difference in in him getting to the next level. And it seems It seems, um, it seems as though he won’t get on their nerves. Um, Pop, you know, in that quote about being mesmerized, he he ended that comment by saying, you know, he does it the right way, he makes them feel good about themselves. And uh, you know, it’s one thing if you’ve got a, you know, someone who’s trying to trying to be a leader, forcing him way, forcing his way into a leadership role, and yacking all the time, then there’s another thing, another Yeah, if you got a veteran like a Hall of Famer like him who’s, you know, pointing it out because he wants you to get better. You know, there there’s a huge difference in that. I actually did have a conversation with with someone in Oklahoma City about this. Um, cuz cuz Chris did does have a reputation in some corners of the league of being a little bit of a, uh, a hard-ass. a basketball? Yeah, that maybe a better way of saying it. Um, um, uh, and, I I asked uh, the Oklahoma City guys like, what was what was he like, uh, in that year, was was did he wear on people? And, he said, He said, no, um, you know, Chris really got that reputation because they were a young team. Like, he had a little more patience with a young team. He was teaching a young team. They weren’t He has less Apparently, he has less he has Chris Paul has less patience for like, let’s say, uh, Houston. When he was in Houston, and think of some of the players, uh, that were on the roster with him in Houston, veteran players who should know better, who should know how to carry themselves, who should know how to act, who should know how to be professional. Um, that tended to bring out the, uh, uh, irascibility in Chris Paul, more than, um, you know, kids learning the game, and making mistakes. And, so, I think there’s a there’s there’s a difference there that might be worth watching, too. Uh, this Spurs team is going to be young players making mistakes, not veteran players uh, kind of being unprofessional, which is what some of his Chris’s uh, problems were with other teammates in the past, from what I’m told. Well, when you guys were talking about that, Tom, in particular, just about the idea of, um, being part of a team and uh, and having the guy kind of leading the thing, the the host on the floor if you will, wearing on you becoming annoying, like uh, like just just beating you over the head too much, like Tom Tom wouldn’t understand that at all, would you? Um, uh, so, uh, Where are you going with this? I’m I’m just saying, like, like, like, to have to have the the the point guard of of an operation, the the the host if you will, to to have that guy be unlikeable. Like you wouldn’t you wouldn’t have any idea what that would be like. Uh, uh, Well, I thought you were going to bring up, and nothing against him, but Avery Johnson, you know, kind of go. Oh, no. No, no. No, I was being much more cute than that. Well, you know, um, cuz before the show, Tom was talking about I made some innocuous comment to Tom Orsborn about, uh, about uh, how I was proud of him in some way. And, it seemed like your appreciation for that comment was way over the top. It seems like you were less sincere in, uh, in how much you value my opinion on things. Uh, uh, Well, that was That was That was, you know, 20-plus years of grating coming out. That’s what I mean. That’s what I mean. You know, that I’ve dealt with, you know, like, for these many years. Uh-huh. And, Chris Paul’s only going to be But, I know he’s not going to be around for 20 years. He’s going to be around for a few months. Yeah. I I kind of look at myself as like, Kareem, and your Magic Johnson. You’re You’re a young You’re you’re a young guy, but, you want to you you want good things for the old aging, uh, veteran. Yeah. You don’t You don’t know Mike Finger at all. Uh, sadly, I do. There’s the real authenticity. There we go. We ended, uh, the in vivo just some quick shots, uh, predictions, and uh, I wanted to do uh, a show with more of I guess, we’re going to do one more before the season starts. But, Jeff mentioned the Chris Paul, Oklahoma City year. Um, and, very different circumstances. Like, the go That There was a young team, but, a young team that was more ready than this team was. A little bit, yeah. Um, That team, the one year with Chris Paul finished 44 and 28, and 5th in the Western Conference. But, like, that’s so that Like, I think that’s the the what the area Where is the years before? Oh, the years before? uh, uh, They were better. They They were 49 and 33. Oh, really? S Yeah. That just blows everything out of the water here. Well, let’s let’s just say Let’s just Can Can we go back and erase all that stuff we just said? Well, um, Let me make sure that’s right. That’s right. I don’t think that’s right. It is right. That can’t be right. Um, it is right. But, it was another situation where they were, um, where where Chris was surrounded by younger guys. And, uh, like you said, needed to be pushed along. It It It’s um, success in the NBA, progress in the NBA is not linear, as we say all the time. Um, And, that It It It set the stage in the same way that I think the Spurs are hoping this sets the stage, but, that’s a That’s an significant difference in these two situations. Like, the the the Thunder team that Chris Paul joined was not nearly as bad, did not have as far to go as this Spurs team does. What I was getting to, though, is is uh, the the predictions that we ended the In Vivo with, which I think we were all in the 34 35 36 range. Were Are we still sticking with that? And, do we want to explore our reasoning more for that on this show this week? Jeff, what was your number last week? Think I said 36. 36. Well, let’s let’s tell the listeners at home, who can read more of your uh, content on Express News dot com, by the way. Um, And then the San Antonio Express News uh, explain your your reasoning for the 36 projection that you have. I mean, I guess it sounds low to people, but, it’s a mighty big jump from where they were last year. A And uh, and, you know, there are reasons to expect that they will make a jump, for sure. Um, but, I I actually I think predicting a team to go from 22 wins to 36 is a is a pretty bullish prediction. That’s huge. Something more than Like, I said when I I think I said 34 um, you you win 33, that’s a 50% improvement, that’s huge. And, uh uh, you know, I I just I’m not Like we all Tom was right there in the 35 36 range. I want to get your thoughts on this, too. But, um, that is That is a huge improvement, and, it probably does not get you into the play-in situation. Um, so, it’ll be interesting to see um, how Chris Paul how Harrison Barnes, how basically everybody deals with the the idea that this team could make a lot of improvement and still not be there in the in the race that they all want to be in. Um, but, I I I I think that It’s Much like the Thunder in 2020, or the year that that Chris Paul was there. It It’s a step that the organization needs to take. Uh, you can’t You can’t skip steps, as the Spurs say all the time, say all the time. And a a big part of it of of the the calculus is the Western Conference is just brutal. Yeah. Like, who who are teams going in that you can say unequivocally the Spurs at full strength, unequivocally they’re better than? There’s maybe Maybe Utah. Maybe Portland’s That’s it. Yeah, and, they get them in the first in the first 10 games, they play Utah twice, Portland once. Better win those games. Better win those games, cuz they also got out Dallas, Houston twice, out Oklahoma City, Minnesota, Clippers. Yep. And that And we also mentioned on In Vivo, um, you know, the the other part that comes into this, the the the teams that could fall below or the teams that either either just implode, like, because the veterans just get unhappy, and, and everything falls apart, or, some But there’s a big Ja Morant type injury. But, you’re looking at maybe the the Clippers and Suns as implosion candidates. Those are good rosters. Those are good teams. Um, And, then, Memphis still, uh, like, I think they’re going to be a whole lot better, but, you know, these These are These are really good teams that expect to be not just in the play-in, but, the playoffs. That could finish 11th 12th in the league, in the in the conference. So, uh, it it again, we’re kind of setting expectations here for the local cagers this season. I I I think it’s it’s absolutely correct and understandable, and, right to, uh, to to think that they’re going to be a whole lot lot better than they’ve been the last couple of years. That just might not translate into playoff play-in appearances. A 36 wins, which is what I predicted, which you know, is a as I mentioned, is a pretty huge jump in one season. Um, that would have been, uh, 10 victories shy of the play-in last year. Yep. Yep. It Hate Hate Hate to be, you know, a bummer, but, they they were a long way off from the play-in, and, uh, it’s going to take a lot to get there. Like, Houston wen Houston went 41 and 41, and, it really wasn’t close, you know. Wasn’t close to the play-in. I mean, they finished 5 games out of it. Yeah. That’s it’s it’s a brutal conference. Um, Yeah, I I I I I just had me lose my train of thought, which I was just. That was Mission accomplished. Brutal, brutal. Just Just knocked you off your game there, Mike. Oh, yeah. But, they’d have a better shot, they’d have a better shot in the East, as we all know. Like, the East is I’d actually If they were If the Spurs were an Eastern Conference team, I would I’d like them for a play-in spot, but, the as 36 wins got you got you in the play-in in the East last year. It just seems unfair. Seems unfair. It’s rigged. It’s what it is. They should get rid of the the NBA’s Electoral College. I think it should be one win, one one one one vote, one one. I’m tired of all this D-I for the Eastern Conference teams. That’s what I was That don’t That Let’s not go there. Um, Yeah. And they they play only uh, one Eastern team in the first, uh, 21 games. Well, they better win that one. Who Who do they have, the the Wizards. They They play a bad Eastern team, and, at home first. At home. Yeah. That they better win that one. One win would get them some Must win games on the schedule for your Spurs. Look at you. I mean, yeah. G Greg Popovich on the hot seat if he doesn’t win some of these games. No, I I think there was uh I I hate these By the way, don’t bet, don’t pay any attention to to all these ridiculous, uh, sports betting advertisements and sites, unless they sponsor us. Um, But, uh, the the, uh, odds for the first coach fired this season came out, and, uh, that I think Greg Popovich was last as as he should be. He’s not going to he’s not going to lose his uh, his spot. Well, what were the odds? Like, a million to one? Something like that. Then, I’m going to go put a dollar on that. Chris. Like, what What do you What do you have to lose besides a dollar? Yeah. Um, and, maybe your dignity. Where I was But, I don’t know if going Earlier was the uh, the brief discussion that we had on In Vivo. I keep hyping this cuz it was a very fun event. Um, about I got off on a Harrison Barnes tangent, and, uh, we were talking about the players that are most important to to the Spurs on-court success this season. Um, basically, the point was that he doesn’t need to have a great Harrison Barnie year, Barnes year, as much as the Spurs need big years from, let’s say, Devin Vassell and Keldon Johnson, and, guys like that. Um, Of course. Do Do you guys still think or I I guess, I’ll I’ll throw this out to to review that discussion, and, uh uh, and, name the guys who you think have to have big years for the Spurs to to make the leap that Jeff was talking about. Well, to get to go back to that uh, tangent. Mhm. You know, uh, I think I think you took umbrage or, you know, you were you’re questioning I I wasn’t saying he has to, you know, he’s one of the most important guys. I’m just saying, if they’re going to get to the 35 36 wins, I think they need everyone playing pretty well, including Harrison Barnes. He’s not the most important guy, but, by by by far, by far. But, you know, a good season from him would help them get there, of course. I think I think you’re probably right. I think that’s But, um, In reviewing that discussion, I think we both could have been a little more I’m not I didn’t mean to to completely dismiss the importance of Harrison Barnes. Um, I think the the the point I was trying to make probably not very well was that, um, somebody generally on a roster is going to have a subpar seasoned for by their own standards. And, if of the top like seven, eight guys in the rotation, if Harrison Barnes is the guy who’s a little subpar, I think the Spurs would be fine with that. Yeah. If If that If that assumes that the other five, six at the top uh, uh, exceed their expectations. I think part of the thing driving this this discussion is Harrison Barnes has not looked very good in the pre-season. And, whether that’s just Yeah. you know, veterans tend to take a while to gear it up and he’ll be he’ll be fine once he gets in the groove of of the regular season. I I I think that’s That’s a fair point someone could make, but, I I I and, it might So it might be a a issue of recency bias, where we all we’ve seen of him in a Spurs jersey has been not not super great looking. And, we’re And we’re also thinking Vassell’s going to come back maybe within the first week of the season, he’s going to start. You You’re You’re How are you going to make that work? I mean, if if so, If Harrison isn’t playing great into the season, would would he be the one to go to the bench? I mean, I don’t know, but, I I just think you’re already trying to put that puzzle together. And, if Harrison Barnes isn’t looking like uh, you know, the Harrison Barnes of old, um, maybe he’s the guy that makes that puzzle work for you, and, moves to the bench. I don’t I don’t know if that’s true, but, when you’re asking like how important he’s going to be to the operation I’m I’m thinking he might end up on the bench, you know. I I don’t know that, but, he might. I was, uh, covering football this weekend in the DFW area, and, I did not get to uh, to closely analyze that preseason game on Saturday, but, were there more uh Harrison Barnes and Jeremy Sochan together minutes? Or, did both of those guys play? Yes, they both played. How’s that looked so far through three games, do you think? I think it’s That was a big question. Can those two guys play alongside each other? They play sort of similar positions. I think Sochan looks pretty good because he’s just back doing the the the things that um, he can do. Just just cutting, and finding space, and, uh, um, just playing with energy, like he We We know We know he can’t play point guard, and, we know he’s not going to be a knock-down shooter, but, just those little heady plays that he does here and there, little duck in-and-outs, um, hit the boards, push the push the ball when he gets a rebound. Like, he he’s looking Not going to sit here and say he looks like a a star in the pre-season, but, he’s looked a lot more solid this pre-season than, um, you know, last year, when he was trying to figure out the point guard thing. And, uh, Mm. Barnes, just looks like a veteran, uh, you know, trying to find his way on on a new team, maybe in the early part of pre-season. Um, it’s not unheard of for, like, a 30 guys in their 30s to not have great pre-seasons in the NBA. Like, I don’t know that the I don’t know that’s how they’re built. I don’t know how they’re I don’t think that’s how they they build their seasons in terms of the rhythms of their season. Like, to go pell-mell in the pre-season. So, maybe, that’s part of it. But, um, Well, let me ask you this, um, removing the the the dynamic, and I’m sure you can, of Harrison Barnes being a veteran, respected veteran, who volunteered to come here, was very excited to be here, probably expected to start if you if you take that out. He started 82 games in a row, 2 years running, now. He started 82 games in a row 2 years running. And, you can’t just take that out cuz he don’t play basketball in a vacuum. And, there’s feelings, and, there’s dynamics, and, all that stuff, but, just the Xs and Os basketball of it. When Devin Vassell returns, do you think a better rotation, a better lineup, a better sit on on the court situation for the local cagers would be to leave Julian Champagnie in the starting lineup alongside Devin Vassell and Jeremy Sochan and have Harrison Barnes come off the bench? Or, would it be to send Julian Champagnie back to the bench and keep uh, Vassell alongside Sochan, and Barnes? I could argue both sides of that. I I think uh, some of them might be recency bias talking, but, Champagnie has looked really good doing what he does in this pre-season. Just catch and shoot, catch and shoot, catch and shoot. And, that’s sort of the guys you need to play around um, Victor Wemby. Victor Wembanyama, and Chris Paul, and even Devin Vassell, guys that you don’t have to feed the ball to, but, if If If If the ball finds them and they’re open for three, they can knock it down. And, he Champagnie’s looked really good doing that through three pre-season games. Now, it’s been three pre-season games, very small sample size. Can he keep that up? If he can, I think there’s an argument to be made to keep him there in the starting lineup. Um, the other side of that argument is, your bench is going to need some shooting, too, though. Yeah. So, if you have everybody that can shoot in the starting lineup, I mean, the the maybe the bigger problem is the Spurs don’t have enough of those guys on the roster as a whole who who you think can be a 40% 3-point shooter. Like, maybe Devin, maybe Champagnie. We’ve seen Mamuk knocking them down in the pre-season. Other outside of that, and, I don’t know that Victor’s going to get to 40%, you know. So, outside of that, you don’t want all your shooters on one team. 40% 40% that’s that’s an important uh, uh, Yes, what did I say? Word there. You said you were you were afraid he wasn’t going to get to 40. I was worried about him. Yeah, I was talking about percentages. Sorry. Oh, you don’t want to make it to 40. It’s It’s It’s It’s It’s Yeah. I think Come on, man. I mean, I won’t be alive to see him make it to 40, but, that’s That’s true. So, but, I good good luck to him, though. Mhm. Um, But, but, anyways, so, I could see maybe maybe keeping one of those shooters like Champagnie on the bench, so, you have more shooting off the bench, as well. Um, really the the upshot is they need more shooting. Yeah. But, I guess every almost every team in the league could say they need more shooting. They didn’t do a lot to address their shooting in the off-season. They’re really hoping, um, um, They’re really hoping that that uh uh