🎧 Spurs Insider️ 播客: 直奔主题

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Spurs Insider Podcast, 2024-09-18 06:32:00

由生成式人工智能翻译，译文内容可能不准确或不完整，以原文为准。

专栏作家迈克·芬格（Mike Finger）和马刺队记者杰夫·麦克唐纳（Jeff McDonald）和汤姆·奥斯伯恩（Tom Orsborn）讨论了马刺队的控球后卫位置，以及哈里森·巴恩斯（Harrison Barnes）和克里斯·保罗（Chris Paul）的加入将如何改变阵容深度。

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以下是播客的文字稿：

这里是来自南德克萨斯州各地高度安全的绝密网络的马刺内幕。我是你们的主持人迈克·芬格，与我一起的是《圣安东尼奥新闻快报》马刺队记者团队，汤姆·奥斯伯恩和杰夫·麦克唐纳，以及体育编辑尼克·塔尔博特（Nick Talbot）。距离你们的马刺队，你们的本地篮球运动员们回归训练营和媒体日还有不到两周的时间。我们正在进入休赛期的最后阶段。我们将讨论赛程。我们将讨论球员名单。我们还将在这期休赛期最后一期马刺内幕节目中进行一些预测，但首先我想和我的老兄，我的好兄弟，世界上我最喜欢的人之一，汤姆·奥斯伯恩聊一聊，他在休假回来的第一天就精神抖擞地来到了这周的秘密地点，期待着马刺篮球的新赛季。汤姆，你好吗？迈克，你好。很好。是的。很好。很高兴来到这里。很高兴来到这里。听起来是的。不过，贾·莫兰特（Ja Morant）已经不在我们队里了。什么？塔里，我想这就是立场。当然，他已经不在我们队里了。好的。哦，好的。哦，哦。我以为你在那里爆出大新闻呢。我猜这就是我们今天的主要话题。我不知道。你知道，我，我不知道。我不知道芬格，迈克，对这期播客有什么计划，但我敢打赌他心里有个计划。是的，嗯哼。确实如此。我的整个，我对我工作的理念。你知道，除了主持这个播客之外，我还有一个副业，正如你所知，这每周要花掉我80个小时来做计划。我还兼职为一家报纸写体育专栏。我已经做了大约四分之一个世纪了。而且，我的理念是，或者说我的哲学是，当体育编辑尼克·塔尔博特，也可以说是我的老板，在截止日期前10分钟打电话来问我的专栏，你有专栏吗？我说我有一个专栏的概念。而且，这并不总是顺利。但是，无论如何，我们已经涵盖了这件事。好吧。是的。是的。喜欢它。但无论如何，汤姆回来了。我敢肯定他度过了一个轻松的，充电的夏天。杰夫回来了，尼克回来了，马刺队回来了。而且，杰夫在新赛季的第一次马刺队活动中，采访了一些，一些顶级的大牌明星。你跟我们说说吧，杰夫？你指的是什么？我采访顶级大牌明星已经有一辈子了。你一定是在和一个，我以为你是在和一个中学生说话，一个追星的中学生。不，不，不。五年级。五年级学生。哦，五年级。五年级学生。是的。我是说，你知道，他可能，他可能会用马刺队得到的那些选秀权中的一个来选秀，你知道，他们通过交易得到的那一个。哦，你指的是前几天的维克多·文班亚马活动，我，我相信你指的是这个。是的，我想是的。是的，那是一个，那是一个有趣的日子。那很有趣。我对，体育卡片收藏世界已经不太了解了，那不是我的菜。真的吗？我，我五年级的时候也收集棒球卡。但是，显然，Topps品牌现在归，这个叫Fanatics的东西所有，它是一个运动服装和纪念品公司，他们其中一个，代言人是，文班亚马先生。所以，体育卡片公司Topps在全球各地举办了这个，像活动，世界各地的孩子们聚在一起，你知道，翻阅，翻阅，翻阅今年的新的，新的，新的篮球卡等等。或者，我想是所有运动。是的，就像汤姆·布雷迪（Tom Brady）做了一个，迈克·特劳特（Mike Trout）也做了一个，在圣安东尼奥班德拉路附近的一个小地方，维克多·文班亚马是，惊喜，惊喜嘉宾，孩子们都疯了，我和一个11岁的孩子聊了聊这件事。而且，和，30多岁的卡片店老板聊了聊这件事，他就像一个11岁的孩子一样兴奋。所以，那是一个，那是一个有趣的日子。你可能已经猜到了，文班亚马仍然住在圣安东尼奥。他，他，比一个月前在法国的时候，更强壮了吗？你知道，我没有让他做俯卧撑什么的，所以我不，不确定。但是，我，我粗略地看了一眼，我觉得，这是一个合理的猜测。他看起来很好。他，他，他的，发型是，是新的。我们从他的一些海滩度假照片中看到了一些照片，他仍然留着那些小，就像，蒂姆·邓肯（Tim Duncan）退役新手包一样。所以，嗯哼。那，那是新的东西。不过，没有和维克多交谈。他没有接受采访。他只是，只是在那里和孩子们进行了20分钟的，互动，这，这很好。是的。你看，就像我说的，从这个播客开始算起，不到两周的时间，他和他的队友们，他，他全新的阵容，就会在圣安东尼奥西北部的菲斯塔德克萨斯州响尾蛇的阴影下，为训练营的开始而聚集在维克多·文班亚马训练中心。球员名单在整个夏天的大部分时间里，至少几个月来，都已基本确定，但仍有一些调整要做。汤姆，在几秒钟前就抢在我们所有人前面，爆出了这个巨大的，巨大的新闻。我的意思是，现在没什么事发生。好吧，你知道如何推销播客，伙计。我，是的，我知道。我正在降低期待，但我的意思是，是的。没什么事发生。好吧，重点是，比如，我认为听众们都很想念你。而且，而且，现在，什么都没有发生。但是，当我们，今天早上在这个秘密地点为这个播客聚会时，汤姆还没出现，杰夫指出，你知道，这是汤姆休假回来的第一天。也许他还没准备好。也许他在精神上，大脑空间上还没准备好做出贡献。杰夫一直都是一个准确的记者。但是，但是，我的意思是，当汤姆在工作的时候，他就在工作，他全身心地投入。而且，汤姆不会来这里只是，你知道，敷衍了事。敷衍了事。就像，嘿，当你，当你投入的时候，你就应该全身心地投入。而且，我希望，就像马刺队对他们全新阵容的期望一样，我希望汤姆·奥斯伯恩在重新开始工作后能立即产生影响。关键在于谁让你进入状态。如果杰夫主持这个节目，或者尼克，他们向我打招呼，我会很高兴的。哇。你知道吗，我有点明白他的意思，就像你知道，他，他有，他有两周的时间不用跟你说话，迈克·芬格。而且，他就像你是他听到的第一个声音，就像我会有点像，又是这家伙，你知道吗。好吧，这就是问题，你，你对人有这样的影响。我不知道你是否知道这一点。但问题是，为了让我们回到人们可能听我们节目的主题，你知道，它，它，格雷格·波波维奇（Gregg Popovich）是如何适应这种说法的？比如，是，是人们回来的第一天，你知道，杰里米·索汉（Jeremy Sochan）。他也不想在你回来的第一天就跟你说话。他就是这么想的。你你没有抓住我的意思。杰里米·索汉，德文·瓦塞尔（Devin Vassell），凯尔登·约翰逊（Keldon Johnson），那些，那些认识格雷格·波波维奇多年的人。比如，他们会像看待，迈克·芬格一样看待他吗，然后说，哦，又是这家伙？或者，或者他会立即，让他们跃跃欲试？你怎么看？区别在于格雷格·波波维奇是一个令人愉快的人。我明白了。这就是最大的区别。而且那里有一种权力动态。是的，我们不尊重你。这就是，这就是他所说的。我们，我们完全不尊重你。这是最伤人的，就是缺乏尊重。好吧，这都是开玩笑。这都是开玩笑。哦，我们，你想谈谈马刺队？我们可以谈谈马刺队。这就是我一直想让我们做的事情。我有个我有个关于波波维奇在，激励方面的事情。说吧，杰夫。我是说，比如，你知道，如果你，如果你想，想用这个播客来宣传一些东西。前几天我和特雷·琼斯谈过了，我将要写一篇关于我和特雷·琼斯的小小，谈话的故事。哦，你整个夏天都在写故事？我，我要写。很高兴知道。我，我前几天和他谈过了。所以，这是一个很好的，这个，这个突发新闻，杰夫在他报道马刺队的6个月间隙中写了一个故事。说吧。好吧。太荒谬了，听众们。你在胡说八道。你在胡说八道。嗯哼。好吧，这取决于特雷，杰夫。这，这，这，这是一个有趣的，有趣的，我想，成为特雷·琼斯的日子，因为如果你设身处地地为他想想。比如，他已经算是这里的首发控球后卫好几年了，但他们总是想把他换掉。比如，你知道，他们去年开始的时候让杰里米·索汉担任首发控球后卫。你说的是杰里米·索汉吗？而且，当那个，当那个行不通的时候，他们没有回到特雷·琼斯，他之前一年都在首发。他们让马拉基·布拉汉姆（Malachi Branham）打了一段时间。而且，当那个行不通的时候，他们终于说，好吧，我们就让名单上的控球后卫来打控球后卫。然后特雷·琼斯就得到了机会，奥斯曼也上场了。是的，一场比赛，没错。然后特雷在下半赛季得到了首发，我认为我们都，我们让他看起来更好了。我认为你可以说，这在某种程度上挽救了维克多·文班亚马赛季的后半段，就像它看起来一切都变得更好了。然后，他们进入休赛期，你知道，特雷一直是一个很好的士兵，并且再次帮助了他们，而且，而且他们用他们的选秀权做了什么？他们用选秀权选中了那个将要取代他的人，未来的控球后卫，斯蒂芬·卡斯尔（Stephon Castle）。而且，然后，他们在那之后一周做了什么？他们签下了克里斯·保罗，他将在短期内取代他。所以，现在，特雷·琼斯失去了他的首发位置。所以，我认为这将是一个有趣的，他在这个夏天会是一个有趣的人选。而且，我是说，你不会感到震惊，因为我们了解特雷·琼斯，以及他在NBA的生活态度和他对待生活的方式，但是他的，他的，他的基本，你知道，从那件事中得到的启示是，如果你要失去你的首发位置，把它输给，NBA历史上最伟大的控球后卫之一也不是一件坏事。而且他很期待，两者兼顾，向克里斯·保罗学习，以及指导斯蒂芬·卡斯尔，并以这种方式融入球队。而且特雷还提到了，这并不是泄露秘密，但是克里斯·保罗已经39岁了。他很可能，他可能不会打82场比赛。他可能不会每场打40分钟。所以，我想，我想，你知道，说特雷·琼斯今年会得到一些首发机会，并且会打一些，即使他在第二阵容中，他的上场时间可能也不会减少多少，这不是没有可能的。所以，这是一次很好的谈话，谈论了他和，马刺队控球后卫位置的现状。顺便说一下，很喜欢，很喜欢卡斯尔。认为他，他在这个位置上真的很有前途。另外，我生了双胞胎。特雷·琼斯生了双胞胎。是他的妻子生了双胞胎。是的，家庭成员在增加。他说他们家里的每个人终于又能睡个好觉了，他和他的妻子不得不打联防来对付三个孩子。所以。在那期间，他还为我们颁发了马刺高中奖，或者说是《圣安东尼奥新闻快报》高中奖。作为一个曾经也有过很小的孩子的人，我也会想尽一切办法出门的。那天晚上那是个笑话。真的吗？我，我，我，当那个没有魅力的，正如汤姆·奥斯伯恩所说，那个没有魅力的、不讨人喜欢的家伙，我们去看那个活动的时候，他开的玩笑是特雷·琼斯之所以要颁发《圣安东尼奥新闻快报》高中奖，只是为了离开家，远离那两个孩子。而且，这个笑话引起了大家的哄堂大笑，因为圣安东尼奥的人们都喜欢那个主持人。所以现在，我们在3个月后又开同样的玩笑？他在这里比在这个播客上受尊敬得多，但你继续说。我们在3个月后又开同样的玩笑。是的。天哪。嗯哼。这说明了什么？熟悉 breeds contempt？不是我，我，更让我感兴趣的是控球后卫的位置，这对你们的本地篮球运动员来说，在某种程度上来说，这是很久以来第一次确定下来，就像杰夫刚才提到的那样。你拥有，也许，也许是他这一代最好的控球后卫，在他快40岁的时候，准备，准备，接管首发位置。你有那个选秀权，他是未来的控球后卫。而且，你有特雷·琼斯在他们之间，算是镇守阵地。就像那是，如果你今年是马刺队的球迷，你会对控球后卫的位置感到非常满意。有维克多·文班亚马在，你会对中锋的位置感到非常满意。你对，德文·瓦塞尔将成为你的首发得分后卫感到非常满意。这就是，然后，在，在，在第二阵容中，如果你有特雷·琼斯在第二阵容中打控球后卫，扎克·科林斯（Zach Collins）回来了，我希望他，能，能打一些内线分钟。我很期待看到波波维奇将如何处理那些，那些侧翼球员，那些介于两者之间的位置。而且，也许这是一个很好的播客主题，因为正如汤姆雄辩地指出的那样，没有其他什么该死的事情可做了。但是，我先开始吧，只是为了让事情开始，只是对阵容做一些猜测。而且，我觉得波波维奇在这里有几种不同的选择。而且，如果你让克里斯·保罗打控球后卫，德文·瓦塞尔打得分后卫，维克多打中锋。我觉得你，你签下哈里森·巴恩斯是为了让他成为一名经验丰富的老将，我觉得你可能会让他首发。我，我猜这不是一个保证，但是，那么，那么你的，你的第五个位置的选择，取决于哈里森·巴恩斯是打大前锋还是小前锋，你是否会让杰里米·索汉和那组人一起首发，我认为他很适合，因为球场上的其他人都能投篮？我，我有点觉得事情会这样发展。我认为凯尔登·约翰逊，尽管他最近又做出了一个以团队为重的举动，通过，通过把他的号码让给克里斯·保罗，来表明他对，对融入球队的承诺，就像他会再次这样做吗，而且，而且优雅地接受另一个赛季的替补出场？这对我来说似乎很有可能。所以，然后你在第二阵容中有特雷·琼斯，斯蒂芬·卡斯尔，凯尔登·约翰逊和扎克·科林斯。你的第五个人选是谁？我，我知道这一下子说了很多话题。但是，杰夫，你想对这些发表一下看法吗？这不会我，我真的没有什么有趣的话要说，因为我认为你几乎都说到点子上了。比如，那，那将是我的猜测，就你刚才说的首发五人来说。你在，在，在，第二阵容中的第五个人选是谁？是尚帕尼（Champagnie）还是其他什么人？那是，那是，那是，让，你，你，你让尚帕尼进入第二阵容，这让凯尔登成为你的四号位？因为，第二阵容缺少什么，正如我刚才看了一下球员名单，与去年相比，那就是杰蒂·奥斯曼（Cedi Osman）的位置，他在那支球队中扮演的是四号位，对吧？一个更大的家伙，即使他经常在，在侧翼，但是他们在他们的篮球卡上，在他们的Topps篮球卡上，没有一个人会被认为是大前锋，嗯。所以，你，你是提拔像马穆凯拉（Mamu）或查尔斯·巴斯西（Charles Bassey），或者其他什么人，然后，然后在第二阵容中安排两名内线球员？或者，你，是让第二阵容使用尚帕尼，或者马拉基·布拉汉姆，或者其他什么人，组成小个阵容？西迪·西索科（Sidy Cissoko）。你，我，我是说，这，这对我来说不是什么好的播客素材，因为我，我认为这些都是合理的，在赛季进行的过程中，可以混合搭配。试试这个，试试那个。我不知道你是否必须把它锁定在，10个人。而且，你永远不会。你永远不会只锁定10个人，然后他们就是你全年的10个人。我确实，我，我认为你说的很有道理，就像你真的没有那样的人，除非你认为尚帕尼可以成为一个空间型四号位，之类的。我是说，他有6英尺7英寸。那足够成为一个空间型四号位吗，而且，凯尔登是一个空间型球员吗？凯尔登是一个四号位吗？我是说，他可以是，任何人都可以是任何东西。这些都是事情，你知道。所以，也许我不知道，但是，我认为是的，也许，也许，也许马穆凯拉是一个，是一个选择，在那方面，稍微大一点，你知道，切迪，切迪·奥斯曼的角色，他确实做了很多和切迪一样的事情，奇怪的是，就无球跑动，以及诸如此类的事情而言。所以，那，那也是一个选择。其中一个挑战是，我认为今年将有15，14，15名球员为你们的马刺队效力。我认为很多，比如，即使是像你们的布雷克·韦斯利（Blake Wesley），马拉基·布拉汉姆，他们也并非完全没有机会。我认为西迪·西索科会在第二年为马刺队效力时取得进步，正如年轻球员经常做的那样。但是，在任何一场比赛中，任何时候，你都只能派9到10个人上场，就像轮换阵容是9到10个人的轮换阵容，而这，这，这将是我在赛季初想要看到的东西，就是，就是谁，谁会在训练营结束后进入那10个人的轮换阵容。然后，就像你说的，你可以用很多不同的方式去做到这一点。是的，你说了11到12个名字才开始提到马拉基·布拉汉姆和布雷克·韦斯利，他们是几年前的首轮秀。所以，对我来说，这表明这对，这对这两个家伙来说是至关重要的一年，就，就站稳脚跟而言，如果不是在马刺队，那么就是在NBA本身。而且，根据这一年的情况，我不知道他们是否还有机会做到这一点，因为现在看来，他们是被排除在外的人。我的意思是，这是一个漫长的赛季，会有伤病，等等，等等。所以，他们可能会得到机会，但是，就在赛季开始的时候，很难看出这两个家伙在哪里才能得到大量的上场时间，从而，你知道，确保自己在未来能有所作为。这将是一件有趣的事情。我还没有这方面的报道，但是，马刺队是否会执行他们对这两个家伙的四年球队选项，他们必须在赛季开始之前做到这一点。所以，那将，那将是一个信号，表明如果他们甚至不执行那些选项的话，他们将何去何从。你还有布兰登·波士顿（Brandon Boston）和马拉奇·弗林（Malachi Flynn）加入到竞争中，你知道，这对，对，将是一个有趣的训练营，因为有迈克，你知道，刚才提出的那些问题。所以，这，你知道，会有很多竞争，你知道，应该，应该在，在季前赛的训练营中看到。回到索汉，回到杰里米。他是，他是进入训练营的球员中比较有趣的一个。我的意思是，这是他的第三年。他能，他能取得进步吗？你知道，他能，他能提高他的外线投篮命中率吗？他能，他能成为一个更好的防守者吗？我喜欢他在首发阵容中的防守，但是，我认为他是一个值得，值得关注的球员，看看他是否，是否在进步，他是否，你知道，是否在进步。如果他能始终如一地在进攻端做点什么，他突然之间就会成为一股不可忽视的力量。是的，是的。我认为，那是会发生的。太棒了。而且，这，这很有趣，因为那家伙在他的前两个赛季中已经得到过，比如30分。所以，这并不是说他没有能力，在进攻端留下自己的印记，这只是一个，变得更加稳定的问题。而且，我同意，当你不是一个球队的首发，第二，第三，第四选择时，很难做到这一点，你知道，很难，很难获得那种稳定性。但是，只要找到一种方法，每晚都在进攻端影响比赛，如果他能找到一种方法做到这一点，就会让这家伙对这支球队来说几乎是无价的。好像是很久以前的事了，但是你们还记得上一次，是什么时候，汤姆可能是病了。汤姆是不是错过了赛季的最后一场比赛？我想是，是很久以前的事了。是的。是的。但是，还，还记得，记得马刺队上个赛季的最后一场比赛吗，当，当球员们进来接受我们的最后一次采访时？而且，我问过杰里米关于完全放弃他的投篮动作并重新开始的可能性。我不认为我说的那么直白，但是，这就是我的意思。而且，你，你想在投篮上花多少功夫？而且，如果我没记错的话，杰夫，你，你可能比我记得更清楚，但是他，他看起来并不像是很想做那件事。比如，他，他明白他需要提高他的投篮命中率，但是他是否，是否，是否已经承诺要真正地，真正地，真正地改变一些基本功，然后，然后像球员们过去在奇普·恩格兰德（Chip Engelland）手下经常做的那样，从头再来。比如，我，我，我很好奇，如果，如果他还那样，而且你仍然看到同样的，那种不协调的动作，同样的侧旋，侧旋也是可以的，比如，你可以用侧旋投篮。在NBA历史上，有一些射手就是这样投篮的。我认为，肯尼·史密斯（Kenny Smith）是不是就是这样投篮的？但是，我，我，我很好奇他的投篮动作会是什么样子。如果它看起来和去年一样，我，我，我，我会质疑他的上限。我对，你和他在最后一次，最后一次，的对话有不同的记忆。好的。我可能是错的。说吧。我的意思是，我，我，我的意思是，你不知道，不知道别人是怎么想的，或者，或者，我不是在评价语气，我甚至不记得他说过什么了，但是，我记得我当时想，哦，他终于，比如承认他必须改变他的投篮动作了，因为很长一段时间以来，当你问他，当任何人问他关于这件事的时候，他都会说，这就是我一直以来的投篮方式，你知道。是的。而且，对我来说，我记得我当时想，这是我第一次，第一次真正听到他，至少，承认，他有可能需要分解他的投篮动作，然后重新开始。至于他这个休赛期是否，是否做到了这一点，我们还不能说。我想我们将在几周后，当我们最终看到他们在球场上打球的时候，得到一些早期的迹象。但是，我只是觉得至少，至少对他来说，大声地说出来，是的，这是他愿意做的事情，就是，就是重塑它，这是一件好事。所以，我认为这是一个，这是一个公平的评价，回想起来。你知道，关于杰里米的事情是，他很厚脸皮，你知道，他所有的，而且，而且那是一个，那是一个他，他用他的，他自称的迷人口音，来形容自己的词。他是一个自我，自称厚脸皮的家伙。而且，它，如果我没记错的话，来来回回的意思是，就像你说的，他，他承认，他的投篮需要改进。然后，当我，当我追问他，这是否意味着，要把整个动作分解，然后从头再来？我认为他没有说是。但是，你说得对，他也没有说不是。我认为这更像是一种，那种，我们拭目以待的事情。而且，我们会拭目以待的。他，他谈到了他去年的关系，他和投篮教练吉米·巴伦（Jimmy Baron）关系很好。所以，我，我想他们两个人一直在，在一起训练。他们花了一些时间，在上周德州大学圣安东尼奥分校的那场大型橄榄球比赛上。我告诉你。你想谈谈那件大事吗？天哪。我，我，我的意思是，我们来谈谈那件事。显然在，在，在南德克萨斯州各地的安全地点，有些人，而且，我，我，我不是在评判对错，但是，那不是你们的本地篮球运动员们最受欢迎的一次露面。是的。他们，他们，他们，他们开车去了，去了，去了，讨厌的奥斯汀。而且，这是一场德州大学圣安东尼奥分校的比赛，所以你可以说，哦，你们去那里是为了支持本地的 Roadrunners。但是，那是，德文·瓦塞尔，杰里米·索汉，马穆凯拉，一群人。朱利安，朱利安·尚帕尼，他们在那场德州大学圣安东尼奥分校的橄榄球比赛的场边。他们鸣响了，他们鸣响了德克萨斯大学的礼炮，而且，而且，但是，是什么事情让人们不高兴了呢？是，是社交媒体上的帖子吗，杰夫，让，让人们感到愤怒的，还是马刺队出现在那里？我认为更多的是，更多的是，它，它，它当然，而且我不知道，我不知道情况是否如此，但是从社交媒体上来看，他们似乎是去支持奥斯汀的那所大学，而不是他们家乡圣安东尼奥的那所大学。而且，让我说句，公，公道话。我看到的照片中，凯尔登·约翰逊穿着一件德州大学圣安东尼奥分校的球衣。是的。哦，他总是这样。你知道，他是，他是，我，我，而且，顺便说一句，我对这件事没有任何兴趣，我一点也不在乎，比如，随便吧。我真的不在乎，所以，我想说清楚。但是，你知道，瓦塞尔先生穿着一件，一件德克萨斯大学的球衣。嗯哼。你知道，所以梅森·普拉姆利（Mason Plumley），是梅森·普拉姆利，还是迈尔斯（Miles），现在在太阳队打球的那个普拉姆利是谁？我不知道。不，没有人，没有人知道。不，这，这，这，这无关紧要。他是一个普拉姆利。他穿着一件德克萨斯大学的球衣。因为，你看，这里的重点是，是，马刺队今年要在奥斯汀再打两场比赛。而且，顺便说一句，自从赛程出来后，我想我们还没有讨论过它。我们采访了伟大的比尔·兰德（Bill Land），他，没错。我，我，我听到，我从你们很多人那里听说，你们很喜欢上一次和比尔·兰德的对话。感谢他，为，为我们做了那件事。但是，在，在那之前的，那期播客中，我预测你们的，你们的马刺队将会在奥斯汀打球。那是在季前赛。在，牛仔竞技表演客场之旅期间。那是克里斯·保罗，等等，等等。是的。而且，所以，马刺队将会在，2月份，当凯文·杜兰特（Kevin Durant）回到他的母校时，与太阳队交手。而且，所以，我认为马刺队这次去奥斯汀只是为了露个面。这并不是说他们指望有人会在场边看到他们，然后，然后去买，买，几个月后马刺队和太阳队比赛的门票。但是，我认为这只是他们正在进行的让，奥斯汀人感觉到马刺队也在那里的一部分。而且，当你考虑到经济因素，以及，那个市场对，对圣安东尼奥，对一支NBA球队的吸引力，圣安东尼奥，你就像，这是可以理解的，比如，你为什么不希望奥斯汀的那些人，那些人，奥斯汀的那些人感觉到他们，他们也与马刺队休戚相关呢？比如，我明白。这，这只是，它，它，当他们试图做出这样的举动时，这似乎，这不是球队的搬迁，而只是，当他们试图吸引奥斯汀人的时候，比如，圣安东尼奥的人们一直有一些小小的反对意见，他们不想分享。我，我，我，我认为，我认为，它，有些人，我，我明白。但是，我也认为圣安东尼奥只是有点敏感，仅此而已。是的。而且，也许，也许我很天真。但是，我读到，前几天，周六，就好像这些家伙喜欢彼此，去看一场橄榄球比赛是一件很有趣的事情。我以为这只是马努的又一次实地考察。是的，没错。只是一件大家一起玩乐的趣事。你在社交媒体上看到的一点点反对意见是，他们应该支持来自圣安东尼奥的球队，而不是来自奥斯汀的球队。是的。而且，我，我明白，但我也不在乎。而且，我认为他们，我的意思是，我，我不想代表那支球队里的任何人说话。我认为他们中的大多数人也不在乎那场比赛谁赢了，你知道。不，当然不在乎。球队去那里可不是为了开玩笑，你知道。它，它，它，它，它是，它是9月份播客的绝佳素材，因为它最终无关紧要。这很愚蠢。我，我，我喜欢，而且，而且，而且，而且，它，它让一些人感到愤怒，而且，我们觉得这很有趣。有几张照片，比如一些，一些球员，马刺队的球员试图做那个小小的“弯曲的牛角”手势，我不得不说，比如，斯，斯蒂芬·卡斯尔做不到。从我看到的照片来看。他不能，不能做。你不能强迫一个，它，它，它，这也，对，对像马穆凯拉和，还有哪个国际球员在那里？那些，那些没有在美国上过大学的球员来说，做“弯曲的牛角”手势是一回事。马穆凯拉在，你知道，你在说什么？好吧，就是这样。好吧，就是这样。但是，比如，斯蒂芬·卡斯尔，他，他，他，他刚刚在康涅狄格大学获得了，背靠背的全国冠军。比如，他，他为什么要做“弯曲的牛角”手势呢？比如，那是关键，他们，他们，他们，他们，他们可能曾经是12大联盟的对手。比如，俄亥俄州立大学，马拉基·布拉汉姆在那里，而且那些球队今年可能会争夺全国冠军，你知道。是的，没错，没错。总之，我们下一次，我们见面的时候，训练营就已经开始了。我们将有更多实质性的话题要讨论。我们在开玩笑吗？我们可能还会谈论一些无聊的事情。但是，它，它，它，我，我很期待，汤姆。我知道这是你回来的第一天。你还在适应环境，但是我们将迎来马刺内幕节目的完整赛季，不是吗？你，你，你不，不为此感到有点兴奋吗？当然。当然，我很兴奋。是的。尽管你和主持人之间存在着明显的紧张气氛。不，我的意思是，嘿，奥克兰运动家队就是在紧张的气氛中赢得了三座总冠军的。那是错的。每，每，每一次和你一起做播客都像是在拍一集《月光光心慌慌》什么的。他们分头打的。那是，在我们的受众群体中，不管是什么梗。是的，伙计们，我们就像《欢乐酒店》一样，我们这里有山姆（Sam）和黛安（Diane）。嗯哼。所以，这就像查尔斯，查尔斯·格罗丁（Charles Grodin）和罗伯特·德尼罗（Robert De Niro）。那会，那会是一部很棒的电影，伙计。确实是。《午夜狂奔》。太棒了。《午夜狂奔》。我推荐。

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点击查看原文：Getting to the point

Getting to the point

Columnist Mike Finger and Spurs beat reporters Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn discuss the Spurs’ point guard position and how the depth chart will be altered with Harrison Barnes and Chris Paul in the mix.

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Here is the transcript of the podcast:

From a highly secure network of top-secret locations across South Texas, this is the Spurs Insider. I’m your host Mike Finger joined by our full panel of Express News Spurs beat writers, Tom Orsborn and Jeff McDonald, along with sports editor Nick Talbot. We are less than 2 weeks away from the return of your Spurs, your local cagers to training camp to media day. We’re hitting the home stretch of the offseason. We’re going to talk schedule. We’re going to talk roster. We’re going to talk maybe some predictions in this last offseason edition of the Spurs Insider, but first I want to check in with my man, my main man, uh, one of my favorite people in the world, Tom Orsborn, who on his first day back from vacation came right into the secure location this week with bells on, eager for another season of Spurs basketball. Tom, how are you? Good, Mike. Um, good. Yeah. Um, yeah. Doing, doing well. Uh, glad to be here. Glad to be here. Sounds like it. Ja, Ja Morant is no longer with us, though. What? Uh, Tari, uh, he was the, uh, I guess that’s the stance. He’s no longer with us on the team, of course. Okay. Oh, okay. Oh, oh. I thought you were breaking big news there. I guess that stands is our main topic of the day. I don’t know. You know, I, I don’t know. Well, I don’t I, I don’t know if Finger, Mike, has a, uh, a plan for this pod for this podcast, but I bet he has a concept of a plan. Yeah, uh-huh. That is true. I, I do have that. My whole, uh, my whole philosophy with my gig. You know, I have a side gig in addition to hosting this podcast, which, as you know, takes up 80 hours of my week every week just planning. Um, I, I also write sports columns for a newspaper on the side. I’ve been doing that for like a quarter century or so. And, uh, my concept there is or my, my philosophy there is, well when when Nick Talbot, the sports editor, conceivably my boss, uh, calls like 10 minutes before deadline asking if my column is do you have a column? I say I have a concept of a column. And that, that doesn’t always go well. But, uh, anyway, we’ve covered the thing. All right. Yes. Uh, yes. Love it. Um, but anyway, Tom is back. He had a I’m sure a restful, uh, recharging summer. Uh, Jeff is back, Nick is back, uh, the Spurs are back. And, uh, Jeff in one of his first, uh, Spurs outings of the new season, uh, interviewed some, uh, some like top-shelf, big-time celebrities the other day. You tell us about that, Jeff? What are you referring to? I’ve been interviewing top-shelf, big-time celebrities my whole life. You have to be talking to like a I I thought you talked to a middle schooler, uh, starstruck middle schooler. No, no, no. 5th grade. 5th grader. Oh, 5th grade. 5th grader. Yeah. Uh, I mean, you know, he might, he might be drafting with one of those draft picks that the Spurs have, uh, you know, the, the one they’ve gotten via trade. Oh, you’re referring to the Victor Wembanyama event the other day, is what I, I believe you’re referring to. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was, that was a fun day. That was fun. Um, I, I, I don’t know a lot about the, uh, sports card collecting world anymore, like that’s not my gig. Really? I, I collected baseball cards when I was a 5th grader myself. But, um, apparently the, uh, the Topps brand is now owned by, uh, this thing called Fanatics which is like a sports apparel and memorabilia company, of which one of their, uh, endorsers is, uh, Mr. Mr. Wembanyama. So, Topps, the sports card company had this, like event, uh, worldwide in a bunch of locations worldwide where kids get together and, uh, you know, go through the, the, the new, the new, the new basketball cards for this year and whatnot. Uh, or, uh, all sports I guess. Yeah, like Tom Brady did one and, um, and, uh, Mike Trout did one and in San Antonio at a little place off Bandera Road Victor Wembanyama was the, uh, surprise, uh, surprise guest, and the kids went wild, and I talked to an 11 year old about it. And, uh, talked to, uh, the 30 something card shop owner about it who was as geeked as an 11-year-old. So, it was a, it was a fun day. Wembanyama is still live in San Antonio, as you might have guessed. Was he, uh, was he, uh, more muscular than he was in France, uh, a month ago? You know, I, I didn’t have him do like push-ups or whatever, so I’m not, not sure. But, I, I think at a glance, I think that’s, that’s a fair guess. He seemed fine. He, he, he’s, uh, hairdo is, is new. We saw a little photos of that from some of his vacation photos from the beach and he’s still got those little It’s like the, the Tim Duncan retirement starter pack. So, uh-huh. that’s, that’s something that’s new. Did not talk to Victor, though. He did not do interviews. He just, just there for a 20-minute, uh, interaction with the kids, which is, which is fine. Yeah. uh, look, like, I said, it’s going to be less than 2 weeks from this podcast when he and his teammates, his, his new look roster converge upon the Victor Wembanyama Performance Center there in the shadows of the Rattler at Fiesta Texas on the northwest side of San Antonio for the start of training camp. Uh, roster has kind of been in place for most of the summer, for at least a couple of months now, but there’s still tweaks to be made. Tom, got ahead of all of us breaking the huge, huge news a few seconds ago. My point was, there’s not much going on right now. Well, you know how to sell a podcast, buddy. I, yeah, I know. I’m bringing this down, but I mean yeah. Not much going on. Well, the, the, the point is, like, the listeners I think missed you. And, and now, there’s nothing going on. But, uh, when we were, uh, convening here in the secure location for this podcast this morning, and Tom hadn’t shown up, Jeff pointed out, you know, this is Tom’s first day back from vacation. Maybe he’s not ready. Maybe he’s not in the mental, uh, uh, brain space to contribute. Jeff has always been an accurate reporter. But, but, my point was, like, when Tom is on the clock, he is on the clock, he’s into it. And, Tom’s not going to come in here and just, you know, half-step. Half-step. Like, hey, when you, when you’re in you’re all in. And, uh, I, I expect, much like the Spurs expectations for their new look roster, I expect immediate impact from Tom Orsborn when he’s back on the clock. It’s all who puts you in the frame of mind. If Jeff was hosting this show, or Nick, and they greeted me, I would’ve been happy. Wow. You know what, I kind of get his point, like you know, you, he had, he had like 2 weeks of not having to talk to you, Mike Finger. And, he’s like you’re the first voice he hears, like I would be a little like, uh, this guy again, too, you know. Well, here’s the que- You, you have that effect on people. I don’t know if you know this. Here’s the question, though. Uh, to get this back to the topic, why people conceivably listen to us, uh, you know, it, it, well, how does Gregg Popovich fit into that spectrum? Like, are, are people the first day back, uh, you know, Jeremy Sochan He doesn’t want to talk to you either the first day back. That’s how he feels. You’re You’re missing my point. The Jeremy Sochan, uh, Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson, the people who, who have known Gregg Popovich for years. Like, are they going to look at him like, uh, Mike Finger and be like, oh, this, this guy again? Or, or is he going to immediately, uh, have them raring to go? What do you think? Well, the difference is that the Gregg Popovich is a delightful man. Yeah. I see. That’s the big difference. And there’s a power dynamic there. Yeah, we don’t respect you. That’s, that’s what he’s saying. We, we have a complete lack of respect. That’s what hurts the most, just the lack of respect. Well, this is all in jest. This is all in jest. Oh, we, you want to talk about the Spurs? We can talk about the Spurs. That’s what I’ve been trying to get us to do for a while. I got I got something I got something about Popovich in terms of, uh, motivation. Go ahead, Jeff. Well, I mean, like, you know, if you, if you want to like use this podcast to plug some stuff. uh, I talked to Trey Jones the other day and I’m going to have a story coming out with my little, uh, conversation with Trey Jones. Oh, you actually wrote a story this summer? I, I’m going to. That’s good to know. I I I talked to him the other day. So, it’s a nice, um, This, this breaking news, Jeff wrote a story during his 6 month hiatus from covering the Spurs. Go ahead. All right. That’s ridiculous, listeners. You’re being ridiculous. You’re being Uh-huh. Well, it’s Trey up to, Jeff. Um, well, it’s it’s it, it’s an interesting, uh, interesting, uh, I guess, dynamic being Trey Jones these days because if you put your if you put yourself in his shoes. Like, he’s kind of been the starting point guard here for a couple of years, but they’re always trying to replace him. Like, you know, they started last year with Jeremy Sochan as the starting point guard. Did you say Jeremy Sochan? And, when that, uh, when that didn’t work out so well, they didn’t go back to Trey Jones, who had started all year before. They went to Malachi Branham for a while. And, when that didn’t work out so well, they finally were like, okay, we’ll let the point guard on the roster play point guard. And, Trey Jones got teddy, Osman was in there too. Yeah. One game, that’s true. And then Trey got to start the last half of the year and I think we all, we made it look better. I think you could make the argument that kind of salvaged the second half of Victor Wembanyama’s season, like it looked everything looked better. And then, they go into the offseason, you know, Trey has been such a good soldier and has bailed them out again, and, and what do they do with their draft pick? They draft the guy that’s going to replace him, the point guard of the future in Steph Castle. And, then, what do they do a week after that? They sign Chris Paul, who’s going to replace him in the short term. So, now, um, Trey Jones is out of his starting job. So, I thought that would be an interesting, He’d be an interesting guy to talk to this summer. And, I mean, you’re not going to be shocked because we don’t know Trey Jones and kind of his attitude and the way he approaches his life in the NBA, but his, his, his basic, uh, you know, takeaway from that is if you’re going to lose your starting job, losing it to, um, one of the greatest point guards in NBA history is not such a bad gig. And he’s kind of looking forward to, both, uh, learning from Chris Paul, and mentoring Steph Castle and fitting in that way. And Trey also kind of mentioned and it’s not like talking out of school, but Chris Paul is 39 years old. It’s pro- he’s probably not going to play 82 games. He’s probably not going to play 40 minutes a game. So, I think, I think, you know, it’s not out of, out of the question to say that Trey Jones is going to get himself some starts this year and is going to play some, uh, uh, you know, hi- his minutes might not go down much at all, um, even if he’s running with the second unit. So, it was a good conversation to have about him and the state of the, uh, Spurs’ point guard situation. Likes, likes Castle a lot, by the way. Thinks he’s, he’s really got a future at the position. Also, I had twins. Trey Jones had twins. Well, his wife had twins. Yeah, growing family. He said they’re everybody’s finally sleeping again in the house, and they’re having to play zone defense, him and his wife on the three kids. So. And in the middle of all that he did the Spurs high school award or the Express News high school awards for us. As As someone who used to have very small children, I would’ve done anything to get out of the house as well. That was a joke that night. Yeah. Was it really? I’m I, I Well, I, I, the when that charmless, as Tom Orsborn put it, that the charmless unlikeable guy, who we went to see that event, that was the joke that, uh, that he made was that Trey Jones was doing the Express News high school awards, uh, just to get out of the house away from the two kids. And, it got a laugh because people love that emcee out there in San Antonio. So now, we’re doing the same joke 3 months apart? He’s much more respected than he is on this podcast, but go ahead. We’re We’re doing the same joke 3 months apart. Yes. Gosh. Uh-huh. What’s that saying about familiarity breeds contempt? Well, not I, I, um, What’s more interesting to me than the point guard situation, which is kind of set for your local cagers, um, in a way that it hasn’t been set in a long time, as Jeff just mentioned. You have, maybe, maybe the best point guard of his generation, uh, at, at, in his late 30s ready to, to, take over the starting job. You’ve got the draft pick who’s the point guard of the future. And, you’ve got Trey Jones kind of holding down the fort between them. Like that’s You feel pretty good about point guard if you’re the Spurs this year. Uh, you feel pretty good about center with Victor Wembanyama. Uh, you feel pretty good about, uh, Devin Vassell’s going to be your starting two guard. That’s what the the and then, then, on the, on the, in, in the second unit, if you have Trey Jones taking playing point guard on your second unit, um, Zach Collins coming back, I would expect him to, to, to play some big-man minutes there. Uh, I’m I’m looking forward to seeing how Pop is going to handle those, those wing guys, those positions in between. And, maybe this is a good podcast to get into that because as Tom so eloquently pointed out, there’s not a whole heck of a lot else going on. Uh, but, uh, I’ll, I’ll start here, just to get the ball rolling, get just making some guesses about lineups. And, uh, I feel like there’s a couple different ways that Pop can go here. And, um, if, if you go Chris Paul at point guard, Devin Vassell at two, Victor at the five. I feel like you, you acquired Harrison Barnes to be this veteran presence, and I feel like that you probably are going to start him. I, I guess that’s not a guarantee, but, um, then, then you’re, you’re choice for that fifth spot, depending on whether Harrison Barnes plays four or three is do you start Jeremy Sochan with that group, who I think kind of fits because everyone else on the floor can make a shot? Um, I, I kind of think that’s how that goes. I think Keldon Johnson, even though he made another team-first move recently, uh, showing his commitment to, uh, to fitting in by, by giving up his number to to Chris Paul, like is he going to do that again, and, and graciously accept another season coming off the bench like that? That seems sort of likely to me. So, then you have in the second unit Trey Jones, Steph Castle, Keldon Johnson, and Zach Collins. Who’s your fifth guy there? I, I know that’s a lot of topics that are all at once. But Jeff, do you want to chime in on any of that? Uh, well, um, it’s not going to I don’t really have anything interesting to say because I think you pretty much got it. Like, that’s, that would be my guess as far as the starting five that you threw out there. Um, Who’s your fifth on the, on the, on the, uh, second unit? Is it Champagnie or somebody like that? That’s, that’s, that’s the, the get, do you, do you, uh, do you have Champagnie and on the second unit, which makes Keldon your four? Because, what the, what the second unit is missing, um, as I just look over the roster, uh, compared to last year, is that Jetti Osman positions, where he played sort of the he was sort of the four on that, on that group, right? Uh, the a big a bigger guy, even though he was on, on the wing a lot, but they don’t have anybody who would be considered a power forward, um, on their basketball card, on their Topps basketball card. Um, so, do you, do you promote a guy like Mamu or Bassey, or somebody like that, and, and have two big men in the second unit? Or, do you does that second unit go small with the Champagnie, or Malachi Branham, or somebody like that? Sidi Sissoko. You, I, I mean, this, this isn’t great podcast fodder for me because I, I think those are all like plausible at some point and mixed and matched as the season goes along. Try this, try that. Um, I don’t know that you got to lock it into, uh, uh, to a, to, to 10 guys. And, you never do. You never just lock into 10 guys and that’s your 10 all year. I do, uh, I, I think you make a good point, though, like you don’t really have that unless you think Champagnie can be like a stretch four, kind of. Mean, he’s 6’7. Is that big enough to be a stretch four, and Is, is Keldon a stretch? Is Keldon a four? I mean, he could be, anybody can be anything. These are the things, you know. So, maybe I don’t know, but, I think yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe Mamu is a, is an option there, a little bigger in that, you know, Cheddi, Cheddi Osman type role, he does do weirdly do a lot of the same things that Cheddi did, as far as moving without the ball, and that sort of thing. So, uh, that, that’s an option, too. Um, one of the challenges is I think 15, 14, 15 guys will get minutes for your Spurs this year. I think that a lot of, like, even like your Blake Wesley, Malachi Branhams, they’re not completely off the map. Um, I think Sidi Sissoko will see a step forward, as as young players often do in their second year with the Spurs. But, you can only play 9 or 10 at in any given game at any given time, like that’s the rotation is a 9 or 10 man rotation, um, and it’ll be that that that’ll be what I’m looking to see early in the season is, is who, who makes that 10 man rotation coming out of, coming out of camp. And, then, like you said, there’s a number of different ways you can go there. Yeah, it took you to like 11 or 12 names before you started talking about Malachi Branham and Blake Wesley, who were the first-round picks a couple years ago. So, to me that points to that this is a This is a huge year for them, those two guys, as far as like gaining a foothold, if not on the Spurs, then in the NBA itself. And depending on how the year goes, I’m wondering if they’re even going to have the opportunity to do that because right now it looks like they’re on the outside looking in. I mean, it’s long season, there’s injuries, etcetera, etcetera. Uh, so, they might get their shot, but just as the season begins it’s, it’s hard to see where those two guys are going to get a lot of minutes in order to, you know, assure themselves of anything going forward. It’ll be interesting to see. I don’t have any reporting on this yet, but, whether the Spurs even pick up their 4 year options on those guys, they have to do that before before the season starts. So, that would, that would be a a sign of which way they’re looking if they don’t even pick up those options. You got Brandon Boston and Malachi Flynn thrown into the mix to, you know, it’s, it’s going to be an interesting camp for the, the questions that Mike, you know, just brought up. So, it’s, you know, a lot of a lot of competitiveness, um, you know, should, should be seen in, in the preseason camp. Um, back to Sochan to Jeremy, though. Um, that’s he’s kind of one of the more intriguing guys coming into camp. I mean, it’s his 3rd year. Um, can he, can he make a leap? You know, can he, can he start shooting better from outside? Can he even become even better as a defender? And I like him in the starting lineup because of his defense, but, I think he’s a guy to, to really watch and see if he’s if he’s making a leap, if he’s you know, showing some progress. If he can do anything consistently offensively, all of a sudden he’s sort of a force. Yeah, yeah. I think that, that’s something that happens. Amazing. And it’s, it’s funny because that guy has got like some 30 point games under his belt in his first 2 seasons. So, it’s not like he’s incapable of, uh, making an imprint offensively, it’s just a matter of, um, getting more consistent. And, I agree that’s hard to do when you’re not the first, second, third, fourth option on a unit, you know, it’s hard to, to gain that consistency. But, just finding a way to impact the game on offense, um, on a nightly basis will make that guy just almost invaluable to this team if he can find a way to pull it off. It seems like years ago, but do you guys remember the last, what was, Tom might have been sick. Didn’t Tom miss the season finale? I think it was It’s been so long ago. Yes. Yeah. Um, but do, do remember the last game of the, of the Spurs season last year when, when the guys came in for their final interviews with us? And, I had asked Jeremy about the possibility of completely turning down his shot and starting over again. I don’t think I put it that bluntly, but, that was the gist of it. And, uh, like, how, how much work do you want to do on the shot? And, if I remember Jeff, you, you might remember better than I do, but he, he did not seem like that was something that he was looking forward to doing. Like, he, he understood that he needed to improve that shot, but whether he makes, has, has made that commitment to really, really, really change some fundamentals and, and start the whole thing over again as players have used to do under Chip Engelland, a lot. Like, I, I, I’m wondering if, if he still shows up, and you still see that same, kind of herky-jerky form, that same side spin, um, which can work, like you, you can make shots with side spin. Um, there, there are shooters in NBA history who’ve had it. I think Didn’t Kenny Smith kind of shoot that way? Um, but, uh, I’m, I’m, I’m curious to see how his shot looks. If it looks like it did last year, uh, I, I, I’ll, I’ll have my questions as to his ceiling. I had a different recollection of that exchange between, uh, you and him that last, that last, uh. Okay. I might be wrong. Go ahead. I mean, I, I, I mean, you don’t know what, what’s in someone’s head, or, or, I’m not judging the tone, and I can’t even remember the actual quote, but, I remember thinking, oh, he finally, like acknowledges that he has to change his shot because for the longest time, when you’d ask him about, when anyone would ask him about that, he would say this is how I shot my whole life, you know. Yeah. And, to me, I remember thinking that’s the first time I’ve ever, ever actually heard him, at least, acknowledge that, there’s the possibility that he needs to break down the shot and reinvent it. Whether, whether he’s done that or not this offseason, we can’t say yet. Um, I think we’ll get some early indicators on that here in a couple of weeks when we finally see them on the floor. But, I just thought at least, at least it’s something for him to just say it out loud that, yeah, that’s something he’d be open to, is, is remaking it. So, I think that’s, that’s a fair assessment, uh, thinking back on it. You know, the thing about Jeremy is, uh, he’s so cheeky, you know, with all of his, uh, and, and that’s a, that’s a word that he uses with his, uh, his self-described charming accent. He’s a self, self-described cheeky guy. Um, and it, it’s, if I think the back and forth was something along the lines of like you said, he, he acknowledged that, uh, the shot needs work. And, then, when I kind of pressed him on, uh, does that mean like breaking the whole thing down and starting over again? I don’t think there was a yes to it. Uh, but you’re right, there wasn’t a no either. I think it was more like a, one of those we’ll see type of things. And, we will see. Um, He He talks about his relationship last year, he had a good relationship with Jimmy Baron, the shooting coach. So, I, I imagine those two have been putting in some, uh, some time together. They put in some time, um, at the, at the big Texas UTSA football game last week. I tell you that. You want to talk about that big scandal? Man. I, I mean, Let’s talk about that scandal. Well, there’s people apparently out there in, uh, in, in secure locations across South Texas who And, I’m not I’m, I’m not judging one way or the other, but, uh, that was not the most popular appearance that your local cagers made. Yeah. They, they, they drove up to, to, to, hated Austin. Um, and, uh, it was a UTSA game, so you could say, oh, you’re there to support the local Roadrunners. But, uh, it was, uh, Devin Vassell, Jeremy Sochan, uh, Mamu, uh, a whole group of guys. Julian, Julian Champagnie, they were on the sideline for this UT UTSA football game. They shot the They shot the University of Texas cannon, um, and, and, uh, that, but, what was the thing that set people up? Was it, was it a social media post, Jeff, that, uh, that kind of got people riled up, or was it the Spurs just being there? I think it’s more, it’s more than that, it’s, it’s more that it, uh, it certainly appeared and I don’t th- I don’t know that this is the case, but just from the social media, it appeared that they were there to support the university in Austin and not the university from their hometown of San Antonio. And, let me give, uh, Po- Po credit where it’s due. The photos I saw, Keldon Johnson was in a UTSA jersey. Yeah. Oh, always. You know, he’s, he’s, I, I’m, and, I’m not by the way, I have no dog in this fight, I don’t care at all, like whatever. I don’t, I really don’t care, so, I want to make that clear. But, you know, Mr. Vassell had on a, a University of Texas jersey. Uh-huh. You know, so Mason Plumley, was it Mason Plumley, or Miles who’s the Plumley with those Suns these days? I have no idea. No, no one n- no one knows. No, it, it, t- that doesn’t matter. He’s a Plumley. Uh, he was wearing a University of Texas jersey. Because, see, the, the point here is it’s, it’s, um, the Spurs are, are playing 2 more games in Austin this year. And, by the way, I don’t think we’ve talked about the schedule since it came out. We’ve had a podcast with the great Bill Land, who That’s right. I, I, I heard a, I heard from a lot of you who enjoyed this discussion with Bill Land last time. Thanks to him for, for doing that. Um, but, uh, the, on, on the podcast before that, I predicted that your, your Spurs were going to play in Austin. It was a preseason. During the, uh, Rodeo Road Trip. It was a Chris Paul, blah, blah. Yeah. And, so the, uh, the Spurs are going to play the Suns that Kevin Durant comes back to his alma mater in, in February. And, uh, so, the Spurs make this trip up to Austin just to be seen there, I think. It’s not like they expected anybody to see them on the sideline and, uh, go out and buy tickets for the for the, for the, uh, Spurs-Suns game months from now. But, I think it’s just part of this ongoing campaign to make, uh, Austin people feel like the Spurs are there, too. And, when you look at the economics, and you look at, um, the attractiveness, the appeal of that market to, the San Antonio, uh, uh, of, of an NBA organization, San Antonio, you like, it’s understandable, like why would you not want those people in Austin, those people, those people in Austin to feel like they, they have some steak in the Spurs, too. Like, I get that. Uh, it’s, it’s just, uh, it, it seems like, as they try to make this move and it’s not a move of the franchise, but just, uh, as they try to appeal to Austinites, like there’s this continual mini-blowback among people in San Antonio who don’t want to share. I, I, I think, I think s- it, there’s some people I, I get it. But, I also think San Antonio is just a little sensitive. That’s all. Yes. And, maybe, I also maybe I am totally naive. But, I read that, uh, the other day, uh, Saturday as just these guys like each other and going to a football game is a fun thing to do. I thought it was just another one of Manu’s field trips. Yeah, exactly. Just a fun thing to do where you all hang hang out. The, the little bit of blowback you saw on social media was like they should be supporting the team that’s from San Antonio, not the team that’s from Austin. Yeah. And I, I get it, but I also don’t care. And I don’t think they, I mean, I, I don’t want to speak for anybody on that team. I don’t think most of them care who won that game, either, you know. No, of course not. The team isn’t there for grins, you know. What it is is, it’s great September podcast fodder because it ultimately does not matter. It’s silly. I, I, I enjoy And, it’s And, it, and it gets people riled up a little bit, and, it, it, it’s amusing to us. There were a couple of photos of like some of, some of the players, the Spurs players trying to do the little hook 'em horns sign, and I have to say, um, like, St- Steph Castle couldn’t do it. From the photo I saw. He couldn’t couldn’t do it. You can’t force a, It’s, it’s also, it’s one thing for, uh, it’s one thing for guys like Mamu and, uh, who’s another international guy that was there? Um, uh, guys who didn’t play college in the states to do the hook 'em horns. Mamu played in the, you know, what are you talking about? Well, there you go. There you go. But, like, Steph Castle who just who just came off of back-to-back national championships at Yukon. Like, why why would he be wanting to do the hook 'em horns at all? Like, that’s the keys, uh, they, they, they, they, they could’ve been big 12 rivals at one point. Uh, like, Ohio State, Malachi Branham was there and those teams could be playing for a national title this year, you know. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Anyway, um, the next time we, we meet training camp will be underway. We’ll have a lot more substantive topics to discuss. Who are we kidding? We’re probably still going to be talking about nonsense. But it, it, it, I’m, I’m looking forward to it, Tom. I know it’s your first day back. You’re still getting your bearings, but we’re going to have a good full season of Spurs Insider, aren’t we? Aren’t, aren’t, aren’t you excited about that, just a little bit? Absolutely. Absolutely, I am. Yes. Despite the fact that there’s this palpable tension between you and the host. No, I mean, hey, the Oakland A’s won three championships with tension. That’s wrong. Every, every, every podcast with you guys is like an episode of Moonlight or something. They took separate cabs. That’s in our demographic, whatever reference. Yeah, it’s cheers man, we got Sam and Diane over here. Uh-huh. So, it’s like Charles, Charles Grodin and Robert De Niro. That would, that’s a heck of a movie, man. It is. Midnight Run. Great. Midnight Run. I’d recommend