[Reddit] 奥尼尔对文班亚马的合理动作进行了高水平的分析与拆解 ▶️

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By factcheckauthority | Reddit/r/NBASpurs, 2026-06-09 21:22:35

杰伦·小不点

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@jumpcutandgo

我从没听过沙克在节目里笑得这么开心、这么兴奋……真的从来没有！估计这个回合真的引起了他的强烈共鸣。

@birdseye-maple

沙克以前早就习惯了那些像蚊子一样在他身边嗡嗡叫、不停下黑手却能逃过裁判法眼的家伙了。

@PetrParker1960s

那些咬脚踝的小动作是最烦人的。

@IsuzuTrooper

在第一节还剩8分41秒时，布伦森在对斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle)犯规倒地后，试图废掉文班的膝盖。回放时你能看到文班的左膝过度伸展（超伸）了。要是有人想废我的腿，我也会推他的。

@shinbreaker

额，沙克以前就是直接碾压对手，而且经常被砍，我是说，这很合理，因为他罚球太烂了。所以我敢肯定，当他看到文班被拉扯和砍杀时，他会感到感同身受的恼火，因为文班的身材也太高大了。
就像眼前这个例子，你可以看到当布伦森倒地时，文班的手臂正好在布伦森的腋窝里。布伦森用整个身体挡在前面，以此来掩盖他夹住文班手臂的动作，所以文班只是像对待其他任何夹他手臂的球员一样，把他推开而已。

@Low_Instruction4175

把你那小屁股给我挪开，笑死我了

@viceneon

得让那些小矮子们知道厉害

@Bolt_McHardsteel

当他发表那个评论时，我对他的好感度瞬间提升了1000%。哈哈，太棒了。

@Screenscripter82

沙克理解文班为什么要这么做。防守沙克和文班有着不同的规则标准。正因为他们独特的体型，他们总是不断被犯规，所以沙克明白这有多扯淡，并认为适当还手是公平的。

@Chinbie

赞同这个观点

@SameRegret5975

@Ok-Map4381

防守沙克 and 文班有着不同的规则标准
100%同意这点。
我之前就一个回合和别人辩论过，当时阿尔瓦拉多 (Alvarado)用肩膀撞了文班，文班随后把他甩开作为报复。
他们说那是一个正常的卡位。
但是，我高度怀疑在第三场比赛中，当卡斯尔在争夺篮板位置时对布伦森做出几乎相同的动作时，他们还会说那是正常动作。
文班身高7尺4寸，而布伦森只有6尺，这并不能改变用肩膀撞人无论如何都是犯规的事实（当然还有其他因素，比如内线位置以及布伦森为了要哨子而假摔，但不管怎样，用肩膀撞人绝不是合法的卡位，但因为文班太高了，裁判就没吹）。

@m8bear

是的，我不知道是不是布伦森在打文班，但每个穿蓝色球衣的（尼克斯球员）都在拉扯、推搡、肘击。文班的动作确实不是一个篮球动作，但尼克斯队打得也绝对不干净。
布伦森每次转身时都会抬起手肘，正好在腹部高度。在这个回合前后，他一个转身，手肘直接顶在了朱利安·尚帕尼 (Julian Champagnie)的胃部，导致尚帕尼慢了一步。

@Xander683

沙克说得对。我绝不是想把自己和职业篮球运动员相提并论，但我曾在欧洲打过20年的正规篮球。我身高6尺5寸，每当你比对手高大得多时，他们就会开始拉你的球衣、拽你的手臂或肩膀，并用其他各种违规的烂招来卡你位。甚至有一个矮个子抓过我的蛋蛋。时不时对他们犯规还击是阻止这一切的唯一方法。他们需要知道，如果拼身体，他们必输无疑，但只有你偶尔付诸行动，他们才会真正意识到这一点。

@Flyin-Chancla

给你来了个经典的“猴子偷桃”！

@Xander683

下一次抢进攻篮板时，我跳起来用臀部朝他撞去。他没跳，当时正在卡位防别人。他直接被我像推土机一样撞翻在地。接下来的比赛里，他都离我远远的。这虽然看起来不那么体面，但我完全理解大个子球员打得强硬一些。
不过文班的肘击可能有点过界了。不能为所有行为开脱。

@Mpuls37

那一记击中脖子的肘击显然是对他在比赛中遭遇的一切的情绪化报复。他让情绪失控了，因为他压抑了太久，而不是在受到侵犯时立刻给予同等程度的回击。
这样做不对，但我能理解。我们都有过那样的时刻，也许是在堵车时路怒，或者在工作糟糕的一天后说了些令人后悔的话。

@WhoreyMatthews

NBA季后赛的对抗强度似乎发生了一些奇怪的变化。
在80年代末到2000年代，对抗极其激烈，所以各队都有“打手”来保护他们的球星。在那个时期的季后赛中，这种事情很常见，如果裁判任由对抗升级，比赛可能会彻底失控。
在2010年代和2020年代初期，联盟通过规则立法取缔了极端的身体对抗。但在过去的几个季后赛中，联盟在季后赛中又回到了类似90年代的对抗强度，那个时代的“执法”行为也随之回归。这就是沙克在这个视频片段中所说的。
奇怪的是，NBA基本上是在创造两种不同的运动。现在的常规赛和季后赛在裁判判罚上完全是两种不同的比赛。
查尔斯·奥克利 (Charles Oakley)在如今的常规赛中可能毫无立足之地，但在季后赛中却会成为极具价值的香饽饽。

@Xander683

而且球迷们横竖都会抱怨。如果联盟放任对抗，大家就说打得脏；如果联盟禁止身体接触，大家又说联盟太软、没法看。

@WhoreyMatthews

100%同意。

@pixelgeekgirl

我不得不说，在季后赛开始时，因为文班遭受了太多粗暴对待，我们都在求着他变得更具侵略性、为自己站出来。他仍然很少以如此激进的方式回应，但遗憾的是，一旦他这么做了，他肯定会招来铺天盖地的指责。媒体会一遍又一遍地播放这一小段视频，却完全不提供之前他被犯规的背景作为参考。
他们想把他塑造成反派。

@Dsarg_92

“你要么作为英雄死去，要么活得足够久，看着自己变成恶棍。”——哈维·丹特 (Harvey Dent)

@Gonzinooo

查尔斯·巴克利 (Charles Barkley)对任何与马刺相关的事情都太有偏见了，哈哈。他甚至还为雷霆队的假摔辩护。

@theedonnmegga

我喜欢沙克不断提醒他他没拿过总冠军的样子。

@ReggieR2100

这就是为什么赛后他坐在那里看着卡斯尔接受采访时，一脸不爽的样子。在第三场比赛之前，他一直说我们完蛋了。昨晚他看起来蠢透了。肯尼·史密斯 (Kenny Smith)也是。他们都被啪啪打脸了。

@birdseye-maple

《Inside the NBA》的这帮家伙就是搞娱乐的，他们的战术分析早就烂透了。

@ReggieR2100

确实如此。这就是为什么TNT后来甚至要让他们排练。差评和负面反馈太多了。如果你不再能为公司带来效益，你就必须走人。

@badtex66

查尔斯昨晚输了多少钱？

@pumpkins21

就是说啊，而且他在这里还免费吃到了吉事果。这个混蛋！

@UseforNoName71

巴克利一点也不喜欢马刺——他之前还说这轮系列赛已经结束了。自从他在菲尼克斯太阳队效力时起，他就和圣安东尼奥结下了梁子。他的观点毫无意义。去他的查尔斯。

@hera9191

我其实挺喜欢这里不吹罚的。吹拉球衣会显得太软了。而如果吹文班犯规，就会让“矮个后卫可以为所欲为”变得合法化。

@Euclidding_Me

我觉得裁判是被凯尔登·约翰逊 (Keldon Johnson)和卡尔-安东尼·唐斯 (Karl-Anthony Towns)之间的副战场吸引了注意力。那也是一个漏吹（令人震惊），直到两人纠缠得有点过火才吹。
我当时看的就是那边，甚至在看回放时也是。

@Murky-Frosting-8275

“来自一个拿过多个总冠军的人”……我太喜欢他这样当巴克利爸爸了，哈哈哈。
文班越是变得像个恶霸，我就越意识到他的进化正在我们眼前发生。他不可能永远是那个冷静的20岁孩子。你们想整场比赛都拉扯他，让阿尔瓦拉多这样的小后卫用肩膀撞他的胸口，你们这是在太岁头上动土。

@mercfan3

沙克绝对讨厌“把小个子防守人放在对方最强的大个子身上，因为大个子对此无能为力”的这种趋势。
这简直是扯淡。比如，文班在这里应该怎么做？就因为布伦森是个霍比特人，就任由他拉扯吗？

@pumpkins21

笑死我了！只有在NBA，一个6尺2寸的人才会被称为霍比特人（当然，文班确实很像树胡）。我想我需要看一张布伦森扮演皮平骑在“文班树胡”头上的表情包。

@Ok-Contract7990

我不知道我是否同意。但如果是沙克说出来的，那就完全可以理解，而且他的表达方式太搞笑了

@MisterShazam

我认为这本可以、也可能应该被吹一级恶意犯规或技术犯规，但我根本不在乎。
我很高兴我们的球队终于有了一个带点狠劲的超级巨星。
文班在整个季后赛期间一直被拉扯。如果你不拉他，你就击败不了他。不能因为这个就觉得拉扯他是理所当然的。

@someguyfromtecate

确实如此。对纳兹·里德 (Naz Reid)的那记肘击是没法洗的，那很脏，理应被驱逐，如果他被禁赛我也能理解。但这次对抗并不算脏，因为他并没有可能让布伦森受伤并退赛。这只是一次强硬的犯规，旨在搞崩对手的心态，虽然值得一个恶意犯规，但仅仅为了传递这个信号也是值得的。
“你们整天都在拉我、拽我、缠着我、抱住我，只要有机会，我就会让你们付出代价。”

@typeHonda

布伦森也是个懂得何时顺势倒地的高手。这里搞点小动作，那里弄点小摩擦，一旦他觉得可以通过一些夸张的表演让你吃个犯规，他就会这么做。我是说，他制造卡斯尔进攻犯规的那一下演得很逼真，不是说卡斯尔没有用力，但他绝对是100%在演，想让它变成恶意犯规。这简直就是防低位时“撤凳子”的犯规版演法。

@cloud-y-meatball

我赞同。从不会无谓流露情绪的蒂姆·邓肯 (Tim Duncan)，到如今文班这样能干脏活累活、展现狠劲的球员。这给马刺带来了一股新鲜空气。

@clifbarczar

我是说，这正是唐斯整场比赛对文班所做的事情。
礼尚往来，还回去很公平。

@m3xm

我喜欢裁判没吹。布伦森一点事都没有。

@DerrickWhiteMVP

我坚信这是一个假摔。布伦森演得太用力了。

@sh0wt1mederek

当卡斯尔冲向篮筐抢板并与他发生身体接触时，他也演了。布伦森绝对是联盟前三的骗犯规大师，这太可悲了。

@shakygator

他把自己摔得那么重，差点把自己的尾骨给摔裂了。然后他转过头来，连续三次用肩膀撞向卡斯尔，而卡斯尔只是继续防守。这些家伙真是软得一塌糊涂。

@Electronic-Angle8275

@TTUSpurs_fan

我昨晚没看比赛，但看到了所有的争议。这根本不算什么。布伦森拉着他，所以文班把他甩开了，那些觉得这很“脏”的人太软了。

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@jumpcutandgo

I have never heard Shaq this gleefully animated on the program…like ever! Guess this play really resonated with him.

@birdseye-maple

Shaq was used to all the gnats buzzing around biting him getting away with murder

@PetrParker1960s

Little ankle bites are the most annoying ones.

@IsuzuTrooper

At 8:41 in the 1st, Bronson tries to take out Wemby’s knee after falling on the foul on Castle. You can see Wemby’s left knee hyperextend when you watch it back. I would shove him too after trying to break my leg.

@shinbreaker

Well Shaq would just barrel through other players and was constantly being hacked, I mean for good reason because he sucked at free throws. So I’m sure when he’s seeing Wemby getting held and hacked, he’s getting annoyed because Wemby is so much bigger.
Like this instance right here, you can see that Wemby’s arm is right in Brunson’s arm pit when Brunson goes down. Brunson was hiding him hooking Wemby’s arm by putting his whole body in front so Wemby was pushing off him as he would with any other player who’s hooking him.

@Low_Instruction4175

Get your little ass out the way lmao

@viceneon

Let those little munchkins know

@Bolt_McHardsteel

When he made that comment my opinion of him improved 1000%. lol, so great.

@Screenscripter82

Shaq understands why Wemby does this. Shaq and Wemby have different rules when being guarded. Just because of their unique frames, they get to be fouled constantly so Shaq understands how much BS that is and sees it as fair to get back some.

@Chinbie

Agree with this take

@SameRegret5975

@Ok-Map4381

Shaq and Wemby have different rules when being guarded
100% this.
I got in a debate about the play when Alverado shoulder checked Wemby and Wemby threw Alverado out of the way in retaliation.
They were saying it is a normal box out.
But, I highly doubt they were saying it is a normal play when Castle did nearly the same thing to Brunson when going for rebounding position in game 3.
That Wemby is 7’4" and that Brunson is 6’ doesn’t change that a shoulder check is still a foul either way (there are other factors like inside position and Brunson flopping for his call, but still, a shoulder check is not a legal box out, but since Wemby is tall, no call).

@m8bear

yeah, like idk if Brunson is the one hitting wemby but every blue jersey grabs, pushes, elbows. It’s not a basketball play by Wemby but the Knick aren’t playing clean either
Brunson goes with the elbow up, right at abs level, every spin, around the time of this play he spins and lands an elbow in Champagnie’s mouth of the stomach that made him lose a step

@Xander683

​Shaq is right. By no means do I want to compare myself to professional basketball players, but I played organized basketball in Europe for 20 years. I’m 6’5, and every time you’re way bigger than your opponent, they start holding your jersey, pulling your arms or shoulders, and doing other illegal shit to box you out. One tiny dude even grabbed my balls. Fouling them back every now and then is the only way to stop it. They need to know that if things get physical, they will lose, but they’ll only realize that if you actually act on it once in a while.

@Flyin-Chancla

Gave you the ole dick twist!

@Xander683

Next offensive rebound, I came in jumping with my hip towards him. He didn’t jump, he was boxing someone else out. He got bulldozered into the floor. Rest of the game, he stayed away from me. It isn’t always pretty, but I completely understand when big men play physical.
Wemby’s elbow might have been over the line tho. Can’t excuse everything.

@Mpuls37

The elbow to the neck was obviously an emotional retaliation for everything that he’d been dealing with in the game. He let his emotions get the better of him because he tried to stifle the response for too long as opposed to giving back an equal amount to what he was getting.
It’s not the correct thing to do, but I understand it. We’ve all had moments like that, though maybe it was raging in traffic or saying something regrettable after a bad day at work.

@WhoreyMatthews

There seems to be a weird thing happening with NBA playoff physicality.
The late 80s-2000s had extreme physicality and so teams had guys as enforcers to protect their stars. This kind of stuff was common in the playoffs during that era and games could get out of control if the refs allowed physicality to escalate out of control.
In the 2010s and early 20s the league legislated out extreme physicality. The last couple of post-seasons the league has shifted back to 90sish era physicality in the playoffs and the enforcement actions of that era have also returned. Which is what Shaq is talking about in this clip.
The weird thing is the NBA is basically creating two different sports. Regular season NBA and playoff basketball are officiated as completely different games now.
Charles Oakley would have no place in the NBA in the regular season now but would be a valuable playoff commodity.

@Xander683

And the fans complain either way. If the league lets stuff happen, everyone is dirty and if they outrule physical play, the league is soft and unwatchable

@WhoreyMatthews

100% agreed.

@pixelgeekgirl

I have to say that at the beginning of the playoffs we were BEGGING Wemby to be more aggressive and stand up for himself because of how much abuse he was taking. He still rarely really responds in such an aggressive manor, but unfortunately when he does he definitely takes a ton of shit for it. They will show this tiny clip over and over and over, without any of the previous fouling on him for reference.
They want to make him the villian.

@Dsarg_92

“You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” — Harvey Dent

@Gonzinooo

Barkley is the so biased against anything spurs related lol.
He even defended OKC flops

@theedonnmegga

I like how Shaq continually reminds him he didn’t win a title

@ReggieR2100

That’s why he looked pissed off after the game sitting there looking at Castle when he was going the postgame interview with them. He just kept saying before game three that we were done. He looked stupid as hell last night. Kenny did also. They were put on the spot.

@birdseye-maple

The Inside guys are entertainment, the analysis has been bad for a loooong time.

@ReggieR2100

True indeed. That’s why TNT got to a point of rehearsing them. Too many bad reviews and feedback. If you longer benefit the company, you must go.

@badtex66

How much did the Chuckter lose $$ last night?

@pumpkins21

Ikr, and he fucking got churros for free here. Bastardo!

@UseforNoName71

Barkley does not like the Spurs at all - he was saying the series was a wrap. He just has beef with SA since his days with the Phoenix Suns . His takes are meaningless
FUQ Chuck

@hera9191

I actually like no-call here. Call that jersey pull would be very soft. And call foul on Wemby would legitimate “small guard can do anything”.

@Euclidding_Me

I think they were distracted by the Keldon v KAT side battle. Which also was a no-call (shockingly) until it kept going a little too far.
That’s were I was looking, even on the replay.

@Murky-Frosting-8275

“From a guy that’s won multiple championships”… I love when he sons Barkley like that hahaha.
The more Wemby turns into a bully, the more I remember his evolution is happening before our eyes. He’s not going to be the calm 20 year old forever. Y’all wanna hold him all game, have little guards like Alvarado thrusting shoulders into his chest, you’re poking the f’ing bear.

@mercfan3

Shaq definitely hates the “put the little dudes on your best big because they can’t do anything about it trend.
It is bullshit. Like, what was Wemby supposed to do here? Just let Brunson hold him because he’s a hobbit?

@pumpkins21

Lmfao! Only in the NBA will a 6’2 man be called a hobbit (granted, Wemby is very Treebeard-like). I think I need to see a meme of Brunson as Pippin riding on top of Wembeard

@Ok-Contract7990

idk if i agree. But its understandable if its coming from shaq, and thats a hilarious way to put it

@MisterShazam

I think that could’ve and probably should’ve been a flagrant/technical, but IDGAF.
I’m glad we finally have a nasty superstar on our team.
Wemby has been getting held all playoffs. If you don’t hold him, you can’t beat him. Can’t just act like it’s okay to hold him because of that.

@someguyfromtecate

Precisely this. There’s no defending that elbow on Naz, that was dirty and deserved the ejection and I could understand if he would’ve been suspended. But this was not a dirty play in the sense that he could’ve injured Brunson to take him out of the game. This was just a nasty foul to get in his head that merited a flagrant foul, but would’ve been worth it just for the message sent.
“You guys are going to pull, grab, grapple and hold me all day long, I’m gonna punish you for it whenever I can.”

@typeHonda

Brunson is also a master of knowing when to finally fold. Little annoyances here and there then once he feels like he can get you a foul with some embellishments he does it. I mean he sold that charge on Castle, not saying Castle didn’t go with some force but he 100% tried to sell it more to make it flagrant. It’s the foul version of a chair pull in the post

@cloud-y-meatball

I second this. Coming from Duncan that won’t show emotions unnecessarily, to someone that can get down dirty and become nasty in Wemby. It’s a breath of Spurs fresh air.

@clifbarczar

I mean this is exactly what KAT does to Wemby all game
It’s fair play go give it back

@m3xm

I liked they didn’t call it. Brunson was omega fine.

@DerrickWhiteMVP

I’m firmly believe that this is a flop. Brunson sold that shit so hard.

@sh0wt1mederek

He also sold that flop when Castle went to the rim for the board and gave him some contact. Brunson top 3 foul baiter in the league easily and it’s so pathetic

@shakygator

he THREW himself down so hard he almost busted his own tailbone. and then he will turn around and drop a shoulder into castle THREE TIMES and castle just stays defending. these guys are soft af.

@Electronic-Angle8275

@TTUSpurs_fan

I didn’t see it last night but saw all the uproar. This ain’t shit. Brunson holding him so wemby through him off, people acting like this is “dirty” are soft

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