🎧 Spurs Insider️ 播客: 字母哥?保留榜眼签?圣安东尼奥的乐透抽签带来多种选择

Spurs Insider Podcast, 2025-05-13 23:28:00

由生成式人工智能翻译,译文内容可能不准确或不完整,以原文为准。

专栏作家迈克·芬格 (Mike Finger) 和马刺队记者杰夫·麦克唐纳 (Jeff McDonald) 以及汤姆·奥斯本 (Tom Orsborn) 讨论了马刺队在 NBA 选秀抽签中赢得第二顺位签,以及他们是否应该保留这个签位并选择迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper),或者是否应该用它来交易扬尼斯·阿德托昆博 (Giannis Antetokounmpo)。

建议阅读:

没有弗拉格,但马刺队在又一次幸运的NBA选秀抽签后拥有“一窝小狗的选择权”

芬格:最后一次,格雷格·波波维奇 (Gregg Popovich) 不负众望

在帮助现有球员之前,约翰逊将专注于马刺队的未来

约翰逊与马刺队获得新的多年合同

以下是播客的文字稿:

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[迈克·芬格]:来自北美各地高度安全的顶级秘密地点网络,这里是马刺内幕,乐透赢家版。我是您的主持人迈克·芬格,与我一起的还有我们一如既往的《快报》马刺队记者组,杰夫·麦克唐纳和汤姆·奥斯本,以及体育编辑尼克·塔尔博特。汤姆连续第三年加入我们,在对汤姆·奥斯本来说已经成为一种传统的早晨,前往乐透房间,抽签室,交出他所有的电子设备,与外界隔绝,并观看当地的笼式篮球运动员改变他们球队的命运。两年前,当我就在那个房间外面时,发生了这件事,马刺队得到了维克托·文班亚马 (Victor Wembanyama)。去年也发生了,马刺队再次抽到了他们的乐透球组合,并进入了前四名,选中了最终的最佳新秀斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle)。今年,他们的乐透球组合再次出现。他们没有获得大奖,但他们获得了一个相当大的奖项,汤姆。我认为我们将在本播客一开始就做出的预测是,你明年不会再做这件事了。这对你来说听起来像是个计划吗?

[汤姆·奥斯本]:是的,布莱恩,布莱恩和我讨论过这件事。他说,你知道,我们是一个成功的组合,他说。所以,你知道,如果我们需要再次这样做,你必须腾出你的日程表。我说,好吧,希望你永远不必再这样做了。他说,好吧,总会有交易。你知道,总是有这种可能性。但是,不,昨晚有趣的是,你知道,在2023年,当球被拉起并且数字被读取时,他真的很难找到一个组合来查看马刺队是否赢了。他找不到它。当然,那一年有140种组合,火箭队的代表倾向于他,并耳语道:“我认为是你。我认为是你拿到了。”但今年,有60种组合,他的判断非常准确。一旦第四个球出现并且数字被读取,他就知道了,开始点头,并且,你知道,用他的手拍了拍桌子。那是他的庆祝形式。你知道,两年前是一个有点低调的握拳礼。所以是的,他之后一直在谈论这件事,他这次知道他们已经得到了,但是是的,他欣喜若狂。

[迈克·芬格]:我想还有一种可能,他们确实拥有一些亚特兰大的选秀权,所以我想我只是在想你可以和他一起回去,让马刺队处理亚特兰大的选秀权。但这将我们引向了下一个自然的谈话主题,在我们过去仅仅是震惊,可笑,滑稽的事件之后,尼科·哈里森 (Nico Harrison) 和达拉斯独行侠队赢得了这次乐透,这只是表明良好的计划得到了回报,伙计们。能力,能力总是会得到回报。这是好的业力。我不确定马刺队是否会做出这个选择。我将从我们所知道的开始讨论。我们所知道的是,有一个来自罗格斯大学的人,罗格斯大学的大学篮球中心,叫做迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper),他似乎是这次选秀中公认的第二名球员,仅次于库珀·弗拉格 (Cooper Flag)。我认为在这方面有很多共识。有一些离群值的观点,你知道,总有人试图唱反调,但似乎已经相当确定的是,迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 是大多数球探、天赋评估师、高管认为的这次选秀中第二好的球员。他是一个可以适应马刺队在圣安东尼奥所建立的球员。问题是,这根本不是问题。我不应该使用那个词。问题在于,马刺队刚刚在昨晚赢得的这个巨大资产可能有一个更好的用途,而不是增加一个与他们去年交易截止日获得的球员,德阿隆·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox),以及他们去年选秀中得到的球员,斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle) 有些重叠的球员。因此,这引出了一些关于你如何处理这个选秀权的自然问题。它现在是马刺队拥有的第三大最有吸引力的,也许是第二大最有吸引力的交易筹码。你可以用它做很多事情。杰夫,我将让你参与进来。这是否改变了你两周前关于扬尼斯的讨论的看法?这是否让你认为也许你应该向下交易并寻找一个射手?这是否会导致更适度的交易,或者你只是说,“嘿,如果每个人都如此喜欢迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper),马刺队应该选择他并为他找到空间。”

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:这里有很多问题。很多,很多,很多问题。我不知道从哪里开始。我认为如果马刺队刚刚获得第一顺位,就不会有任何问题。他们为什么不这样做?他们太接近了。我认为这只是证明上帝讨厌马刺队。

[迈克·芬格]:是的。被诅咒的球队。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:或者它是被操纵的。它肯定是被操纵的。[笑]是的。多么的诅咒。是的,乐透是被操纵的,就像过去40年中最好的选秀权都给了圣安东尼奥和奥兰多以及克利夫兰这样的大市场球队。

[迈克·芬格]:是的。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:就像他们不擅长操纵一样,如果他们操纵乐透。无论如何,回到你关于第二顺位选秀权的问题。第一个问题是什么?我好像在接受采访,你问了我一个包含三个部分的问题,现在我记不起任何部分了。

[迈克·芬格]:我们将从那个会让所有人兴奋起来的问题开始,那就是,你现在必须使用这个选秀权来得到扬尼斯吗?

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:你必须吗?哦,绝对必须。没有必须。没有。

[迈克·芬格]:看,这就是我提出这个问题的方式,因为你不需要。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:我认为我的意思是,有人问我,这是否增加了交易得到扬尼斯的几率?我认为答案是肯定的,因为第二顺位选秀权比第八顺位选秀权更具吸引力,而马刺队当时的位置是第八顺位。就像我可以用一种迂腐的方式来回答它,但我我想我不能说马刺队会做什么,但我可以表达我会做什么。我仍然不太支持交易得到扬尼斯。

[迈克·芬格]:解释一下。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:我认为我的意思是,主要问题对我来说是俄克拉荷马城的那支球队。我意识到雷霆队现在与掘金队进行了一场平局的系列赛,所以这可能会有所改变。但我认为那支球队将在未来几年内成为一支怪物。我认为如果你使用大量的资本来引进扬尼斯,你会让马刺队变得更好。他们显然是西部联盟的竞争者,但我担心你正在花费大量的资本来争夺西部第二名。你仍然需要等待俄克拉荷马城王朝的建立。当那结束时,扬尼斯已经过了他的巅峰时期。他35岁左右了。所以这是我不愿意通过选秀来建立球队的原因。建立一支共同成长的球队。我们所了解的关于马刺队的一切是,这就是他们倾向于运作以及他们希望如何将其组合在一起的方式。所以那是。现在,整个俄克拉荷马城论点的另一面是我能想到的最令人信服的理由来争取扬尼斯,那就是阻止他去俄克拉荷马城并延长与休斯顿的竞争,使这两支球队成为你需要在未来半个十年或更长时间内与之抗衡的球队。我不知道阻止别人做某事是否是一个足够的理由来自己做某事,但对我来说最令人信服的理由是阻止他落入那些家伙的手中。

[迈克·芬格]:我真的讨厌你刚才所说的一切。就像一切,因为我同意所有这些。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:是的!我想和你辩论。我想和某人辩论。

[迈克·芬格]:这只是……我认为你完全正确,这使得这个播客非常无聊。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:我们需要在智力上进行较量。

[迈克·芬格]:而且这不会发生。我不想不得不这样做。我认为就像我们两周前讨论的那样,扬尼斯穿着马刺队球衣站在维克托·文班亚马身边的想法是如此疯狂、有趣和令人兴奋,以至于我不会抨击马刺队这样做,而且我会完全理解如果他们这样做。这对他们来说有好处。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:我的意思是,它会奏效。它会奏效。我只是不知道它是否足够好。听起来很疯狂。

[迈克·芬格]:但是你想要有人上场。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:我会和你争论的。

[迈克·芬格]:好的。我会和你争论的。好的。所以你只是有一个7英尺4英寸的家伙,被诊断出患有DVT。你的窗口期有多长?你知道你会得到10年、12年的伟大的维克托·文班亚马吗?我的意思是,我的意思是也许不是,也许会受伤。NBA没有保证。有时,你必须像雄鹿队那样计划,而不是一个王朝,他们认为他们会得到不止一个。他们没有。

[迈克·芬格]:嗯哼。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:所以有时你只需要知道去争取你所能得到的。

[迈克·芬格]:感谢你这样做,因为。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:我认为扬尼斯可以给你一个窗口期说,“好吧,这是我们的冠军窗口期。”维克托和扬尼斯至少可以给你一个冠军,也许两个,然后让你进入现在的窗口期,而不是说两年或三年后。你为什么要为五年后建立一个冠军争夺者,而你现在就可以成为一个冠军争夺者。

[迈克·芬格]:非常感谢尼克给我一些可以反驳的观点,因为这正是我所需要的。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:你是球迷的声音。

[迈克·芬格]:有时你必须扮演魔鬼代言人,但是亚娜可以成为冠军。更重要的是,我完全同意。这太完美了。现在我可以逐一分析它。因为首先,正如我们几周前讨论的那样,尼克所说的一切乍一看是有道理的,但是,如果维克托的职业生涯不会像我们想象的那样,那么事情就不会好起来。你不能为它制定备用计划。当你有维克托·文班亚马时,你不能为它制定备用计划。我不认为那是明智的做法。你想要和维克托·文班亚马一起建立球队。你不想说,“哦,如果他在10年后不在了,那么我们需要充分利用现在。”我不认为那是马刺队建立球队的方式。他们不会看短期。他们会看长期。那是其中的一部分。第二部分是,当你谈论需要立即进入你的冠军争夺窗口期时,过去十年半的NBA历史并没有支持这种说法,那些试图立即争夺冠军的球队并没有成功。没有总决赛MVP,没有总决赛中最好的球员,总决赛球队中最好的球员,在过去二十年的职业生涯的前六七年中从未有过这样的经历。总是需要时间来建立。我们几周前和火箭队、雷霆队讨论过这个问题。雷霆队是去年西部最好的球队。只是在季后赛中撞到了墙。所以你把扬尼斯和维克托放在一起。当然,他们立即成为了一支非常优秀的球队,也许是西部顶级球队之一,但那支球队至少需要在季后赛中输一次,也许两次才能克服困难。这就是现在季后赛成功的方式。你不会立即成为一支冠军球队。所以扬尼斯30岁了。如果你认为你需要……在我看来,指望那支球队在未来两年内赢得冠军是不现实的。维克托需要几年的时间来适应季后赛。斯蒂芬·卡斯尔也需要。这些其他的球员,比如凯尔登·约翰逊 (Keldon Johnson) 还没有参加过季后赛。如果杰里米·索汉 (Jeremy Sochan) 和德文·瓦塞尔 (Devin Vassell) 那些家伙还在,他们还没有参加过季后赛。你至少需要两年的时间才能考虑赢得冠军。所以在那个时候,正如杰夫所说,扬尼斯33岁了。他已经过了他的巅峰时期。而且每个人的身价都变得非常非常昂贵。所以我和……我并不是要强烈反对扬尼斯。我只是在提出论点,以便人们理解为什么这不是一件轻而易举的事情。如果你相信迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper),或者你相信其他更年轻的人,如果那个人会那么好,为什么不选择一个20岁的球员,并像尼克说的那样,如果维克托的职业生涯不会像人们预期的那么长,那么你现在就拥有了一个20岁的未来的全明星球员,你希望他能和斯蒂芬·卡斯尔以及德阿隆·福克斯一起。当他们在交易截止日交易得到德阿隆·福克斯时,有些人说唯一的缺点是他太老了,他27岁了。所以,我认为尼克提出了有效的观点。我只是认为,考虑到马刺队,他们必须真的、真的、真的确信才会违背他们一直以来建立球队的方式。他们必须确信某件事。我只是还没有看到它如此容易地意味着他们要去得到扬尼斯。汤姆,你可以在任何时候加入进来。

[汤姆·奥斯本]:汤姆被静音了。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:我会提供另一个观点。

[迈克·芬格]:继续,反驳尼克。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:对不起,对不起,对不起。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:你可以建立并且你可以希望你想要的一切,但是你得到像迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 这样的人,他最终会像扬尼斯一样优秀的几率非常低。所以你可能永远不会得到一个像他一样好的球员站在维克托身边。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:好的,好的回答。我的意思是,我的意思是,事实就是如此。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:扬尼斯并不能保证维克托会像扬尼斯一样优秀。我的意思是,这可能不是真的,但是,你知道,扬尼斯是最优秀的球员之一,他拥有冠军血统。他已经在那里了。他已经赢得了冠军。你不是某人。

[迈克·芬格]:尼克,让我问你这个问题。我同意。迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 在他的职业生涯中变得像扬尼斯一样优秀的几率非常低。那么三年后,也就是2028年,迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 的价值高于扬尼斯在2028年的价值的几率是多少呢?扬尼斯在33岁的时候每年赚6000万美元。谁将在2028年成为更有价值的资产?迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 在他新秀合同结束时,年龄为22岁,还是扬尼斯在33岁时已经过了他的巅峰时期,并且每年赚6000万美元。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:经济上。

[迈克·芬格]:不,我的意思是篮球。我的意思是,我的意思是,你想让哪一个资产在你的球队中帮助你赢得冠军?只是从篮球的角度来说,如何建立一支球队,如何在他们周围增加球员。哪个资产在2028年更有价值,我认为这是马刺队可以认真考虑赢得冠军的第一年?

[尼克·塔尔博特]:在球场上你认为……好吧,但是再次,你没有考虑到你没有计算薪金上限,这就是你所说的,那么扬尼斯。这是一个保证。哈珀不是一个保证。他可能会失败。

[迈克·芬格]:扬尼斯是一个33岁的保证?

[尼克·塔尔博特]:我的意思是看看他。我的意思是,他是一个怪胎。他不是锡安·威廉姆森 (Zion Williamson)。他没有在那里吃芝士汉堡或每周吃三个。那家伙只是一个凿成的家伙。我的意思是,他没有很大的伤病史。他不是安东尼·戴维斯 (Anthony Davis)。

[迈克·芬格]:好的。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:我认为我选择球场上的扬尼斯。我选择33岁的扬尼斯。我会选择35岁、36岁的他吗?这也要考虑在内。也许不是。但是33岁,我认为他仍然会是扬尼斯。

[迈克·芬格]:看,但它带来了……我很高兴,因为它带来了……这些伟大的球员开始看到他们的……勒布朗·詹姆斯 (LeBron James) 开始看到下滑,你知道。这就是马刺队正在建立的目标,因为他们希望他们的窗口期在2027年、2028年,从那个区域一直到2030年代初。扬尼斯不符合这一点。是的,我知道他是一位世代伟大的球员,也许你会例外,并且认为你拥有他几年,然后转向下一个目标。但是这就是反对它的论点,而不是迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 对扬尼斯,比如谁会成为更好的球员,谁更有可能进入名人堂的问题。显然,这是一边倒的。这关乎他们如何适应马刺队正在建立的球队。我认为这是一个值得讨论的问题,汤姆,你可以随时加入进来。

[汤姆·奥斯本]:如果哈珀实现了他被誉为和凯德·坎宁安 (Cade Cunningham) 一样优秀的承诺,我的意思是,那是一个可靠的第二顺位,可以和维克托搭档。然后你再加上福克斯和卡斯尔。我的意思是,这是一个本土的核心,可以拥有一个像我从芝加哥的酒店房间里看到的窗口一样大的窗口。这是一个相当大的窗口。这是相当大的。

[迈克·芬格]:汤姆,你在芝加哥看到的是什么?

[汤姆·奥斯本]:河流,河流。这对你来说很棒,非常好。今天早上有点雾,但尽管如此,这是一个很大的窗口。这就是马刺队想要的。你知道,他们不是在寻找一个冠军。他们正在寻找在未来很长一段时间内保持竞争力。坎宁安像迈克所说的那样,19岁时,我的意思是,哈珀在19岁时,如果他和坎宁安相比,那将是一个非常棒的第二顺位。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:嘿,你能从你的窗口看到特朗普大厦吗?

[汤姆·奥斯本]:不,我不能。好的,这使得窗口。是的。

[迈克·芬格]:无论如何,所以这不是我们见过的最伟大的窗口。好吧,好吧。但是这导致……汤姆,这导致了另一个选择,这不仅仅是迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 或扬尼斯。还有中间地带。还有……当我想到布莱恩·莱特 (Brian Wright) 昨天从抽签室出来时告诉汤姆·奥斯本,马刺队拥有最好的选择权。是这样吗?我认为这让我感到惊讶,是的。最好的选择权不仅仅是选秀班。它包括各种各样的东西。它包括交易目标,不仅仅是选秀中第二好的球员。如果马刺队决定他们真正想要迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 的其他人需要一名控球后卫,马刺队现在有点……你知道,他们可以向下交易几个位置,如果他们有目标的话,可以在第四、第五或第六或其他位置,然后收集更多的东西来搭配它。我认为马刺队将会有很多选择。我认为会有很多球队向马刺队提出报价,这些球队想要向上交易,并且对迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 非常感兴趣。我不认为除了迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 以外的其他人会被选为第二顺位。我不是……你知道,大师。但我喜欢王牌贝利 (Ace Bailey) 是那个人……如果王牌贝利的想法比迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 更适合马刺队。他是一个又高又壮的人,可以投篮。真正非常出色的运动员。他今年只是没有做太多。播客的朋友约翰·霍林格 (John Hollinger) 我认为亲自看到了罗格斯。我认为约翰今年亲自看到了罗格斯很多次。他的选秀名单昨天出来了,他把他排在第12位,王牌贝利。这……他对他的评价很低,这可能很极端。但重点是,王牌贝利是一个项目。他还没有接近成为迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 那样的改变者。在他最好的状态下,我认为他比除了库珀·弗拉格 (Cooper Flag) 以外的任何人都更适合马刺队。只是……我不确定马刺队是否会用那个选秀权进行这种赌博。所以我认为有人会选择迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 作为第二顺位,问题在于马刺队是否是那支球队。另一支球队可能是密尔沃基雄鹿队,如果马刺队交易得到扬尼斯,或者可能是,犹他州是否想向上交易几个位置来得到他?这是否会将劳里·马尔卡宁 (Lauri Markkanen) 带回讨论中?他是一个非常非常穷人的扬尼斯。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:我只是说说而已。

[迈克·芬格]:我不认为劳里·马尔卡宁的事情会发生。我只是把它作为一个例子,说明如何获得一个较低级别的家伙,并最大限度地利用马刺队刚刚获得的资产。你想知道如果我是布莱恩·莱特 (Brian Wright) 我会怎么做吗?

[迈克·芬格]:是的。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:这会打破播客宇宙。我不会想太多,我会选择迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper)。

[迈克·芬格]:是吗?

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:我听过这些论点。“好吧,他们已经有了这个人,那个人,”但这……有没有人在2025年看过NBA?这与位置无关。就像,是的,我明白了,“是的,我们需要投篮。是的,但是我们需要一个大个子。”好吧,用其他方式去获得那些家伙。你在第一轮中还有另一个选秀权。有自由球员。当你拥有第二顺位选秀权时,选择那里最好的球员。如果你不这样做,那么是的,向下交易。从其他人那里获得一些东西来获得……让其他人来选择下一个凯德·坎宁安,你去做交易,获得其他的东西,并在第五或其他位置选秀。但是选择最好的球员。你可以让所有这些家伙上场。如果他们像你认为的那样优秀,你可以让所有这些家伙上场。

[迈克·芬格]:是的。还有,对扬尼斯论点的另一个反驳是,如果你交易得到扬尼斯,你就在建立一支超级球队。你基本上围绕着三、四个球员建立球队,他们将在几年内赚很多钱,你将不得不在几年内围绕他们找到底薪球员。这将仅仅是这三个巨大的合同和三个明星,以及什么时候最后一次奏效了?已经很久了。那里有各种各样的警示故事,比如凯文·杜兰特 (Kevin Durant) 最近的两支球队。你知道,现在很难让它奏效。按照NBA的发展趋势,拥有众多有深度的年轻球员的球队才是建立争冠球队的公式。还有一件事。如果你选择了迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper),现在你已经增加了你拥有的其他球队多年来会想要的球员,你可以随时对此进行调整。如果你把一切都投入到扬尼斯身上,你有点被困住了。被困住……对于增加一个常年MVP候选人,一个巨大的改变者,一个赢得过总冠军的人,以及所有这些类型的人来说,这是一个错误的词。但在可预见的未来,你被限制在那条道路上。那可能是他们选择的道路。我只是说我站在杰夫的一边,只是选择最好的球员并让它奏效。像迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 会在很多选秀中成为第一顺位。不是这次,也不是维克托的选秀,但也许是去年。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:去年,去年。

[迈克·芬格]:不要想太多。在第二顺位,不要想太多。不要成为那支像“我们已经有了克莱德·德雷克斯勒 (Clyde Drexler)。我们不能再拥有迈克尔·乔丹 (Michael Jordan) 了”的球队。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:是的。

[迈克·芬格]:选择可以上场的球员并解决问题。当你早些时候用你自己的论点来扮演魔鬼代言人时,你提出了一个很好的观点,即如果马刺队没有交易得到扬尼斯,那么他们试图击败的人会这样做。这实际上很可能。我认为休斯顿被认为是交易得到他的第二大可能性球队,如果你是马刺队的球迷,那会很令人失望,因为我认为休斯顿将在未来几年内参加比赛,并且休斯顿已经比你领先一年左右了。他们只是经历了他们拥有的那一年,他们在西部排名第二或第三,并在第一轮中惨败。他们已经经历了那些挫折。现在他们准备在明年向前迈进一步。如果你添加了[扬尼斯],你甚至会比你领先得更远。所以如果你是马刺队,你允许其他人在你的时间线上领先一步,那将会有点可怕。但杰夫也说,“我今天对杰夫的逻辑赞扬得太多了。”我睡了个好觉。大多数情况下,这不是一个好的理由。因为你害怕其他人会这样做,所以这不是做某事的好理由。那不是你经营球队的方式。这是一个第22条军规,因为如果你是马刺队并且你交易得到扬尼斯,你可能仍然不够强大到可以与西部的顶级球队竞争,而且真的没有办法变得足够强大。你已经把自己锁定了。另一方面,如果他去了休斯顿或者他去了俄克拉荷马城,你必须等到扬尼斯的职业生涯结束后才能再次与那些球队竞争。

[尼克·塔尔博特]:我认为这是一个错误的推理。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:它是否会足够好?我认为这是一个错误的推理。我认为他们会……我只是认为俄克拉荷马城即使没有扬尼斯,在未来五年内也将是一头完整的野兽。而且我没有看到……是的。虽然他们与掘金队进行了一场2-2的系列赛,但我只是觉得他们不会从这里变得更糟。他们只会变得更好。

[迈克·芬格]:他们有。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:马刺队去年的球队,即使有克里斯·保罗 (Chris Paul) 在队中,他不会再来这里了,老迈的哈里森·巴恩斯 (Harrison Barnes) 离西部前三名球队还差一个扬尼斯。更不用说获得西部前三名球队并通过四轮季后赛了。那支球队不是一个扬尼斯就可以竞争总冠军的。我只是想说实话。是的,如果你交易得到扬尼斯,你可能会采取更多现在赢球的举动,这可能会带来更多的进步。但那样你真的把所有的鸡蛋都放在了2025年到2028年的窗口期,这并不是马刺队在过去几年里在维克托领导下所想的窗口期。所以是的,这就是缺点。现在,当然他们会去交易得到他,我们将不得不吞下所有这些话。但是……我同意杰夫的观点。我的意思是,当你说不要想太多时,我认为这适用于我们所了解的马刺队。你知道,他们非常有耐心。他们不会跳过步骤,他们想要那个,再次强调的非常大的窗口。所以我的意思是,所有这些都指向哈珀。你已经看到了……我们将不得不吞下我们的话。但我不知道。我的意思是,我认为……就像大多数这些讨论一样,你可以看到双方。就像没有人会说,“你交易得到扬尼斯,你这个白痴。”没有人会这么说。只是如果你权衡双方,我支持让我们等待下去的一方。我理解那个论点。但我理解双方的论点。再说一遍,这不会让播客变得更好。理解双方的论点。但我确实理解。

[迈克·芬格]:是的。再次,就像我一直强烈反对交易得到扬尼斯一样,这并不意味着我100%反对它。就像我仍然在70-30左右,也许,因为涵盖一支拥有扬尼斯和维克托以及他们拥有的其他所有球员的球队的内容会非常精彩。我认为这只是不符合马刺队的风格。这不符合……这不是一个坚定不移的行动,如果你愿意这样说的话。所以我只会做显而易见的事情,选择第二顺位的迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper)。也许用第14顺位选秀权,你可以获得一名射手或一些内线帮助。你可以进入自由市场,你可以签下一名射手。几周前我提到了一位卢克·肯纳德 (Luke Kennard) 类型的球员。像那样的人。也许你可以签下一名替补大个子。你知道,其中一些老将现在想要来这里。你知道。我没有去得到布鲁克·洛佩兹 (Brook Lopez),或者如果密尔沃基正在解散球队,或者得到克林特·卡佩拉 (Clint Capela) 之类的球员。或者来自费城的那个法国孩子会是一个非常便宜的选择。就像加布塞利 (Gabuseli) 一样。加布塞利,是的。雅各布·珀尔特尔 (Jakob Pertle)。是的。你知道,你可以有很多方法来填补这些空白。你不必仅仅因为他不符合你正在寻找的A或B框,就放弃第二顺位的潜在明星天赋。还有其他方法可以填补这些框。

[迈克·芬格]:当你想想……适合度。让我们在这里探讨一下这个角度,并假设马刺队选择了迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper)。这不是一个方钉子塞进圆孔的情况,因为德阿隆·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox) 是一名纯粹的控球后卫。这就是他的位置。这就是他所做的事情。与维克托进行挡拆,所有这些事情。他是你的首发控球后卫。这没有改变。他27岁了。你在未来几年内拥有他可以被认为是他的巅峰时期。迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 有点……他倾向于控球后卫,但他有点像他们所说的双能卫,一号位和二号位。你可以让他和德阿隆·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox) 一起上场。就像球队一直都在让双能卫和控球后卫一起上场。这行得通。斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle),他也是一个双能卫,但他有一些三号位的特点,对吧?NBA是无位置的。但更重要的是你可以防守谁,斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle) 可以防守三号位。没问题。他可以防守侧翼。这三个家伙,虽然这不是你设置NBA阵容的理想方式。理想情况下,这三个人中应该有一个是神射手,狙击手。我认为这三个家伙可以同时在球场上共存。会给球队带来很多麻烦。让这三个人在一起。然后你知道,你想要……也许这会改变你填补剩余阵容的方式。就像维克托不是一个经典的中锋。他自己会承担一些投篮任务。你需要四号位提供一些投篮能力。但这并不是一个不可思议的组合。

[杰夫·麦克唐纳]:我的意思是,不是为了什么,这会困扰人们,但我不会排除马刺队在第二顺位选秀一名球员,并在他的第一年让他从替补席上上场。我的意思是,他们去年用第四顺位的斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle) 做了很多这样的事情。是的。你可能会让每个人都认为他们会首发的球员首发,并让哈珀从替补席上上场。至少一开始是这样。

[迈克·芬格]:是的。投篮仍然是一个迫切的需求。

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Giannis? Keep No. 2 pick? San Antonio’s lottery win provides options

Columnist Mike Finger and Spurs beat reporters Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn discuss the Spurs winning the No. 2 pick in the NBA Draft lottery, and if they should keep the pick and take Dylan Harper or if they should trade it for Giannis Antetokounmpo.

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Here is the transcript of the podcast:

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Mike Finger: From a highly secure network of top-secret locations across North America, this is the Spurs Insider, Lottery Winners Edition. I’m your host, Mike Finger, joined, as always, by our panel of Express-News Spurs beat writers, Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn, along with Sports Editor Nick Talbot. Tom is joining us for the third consecutive year on the morning after what’s become a tradition for Tom Orsborn, heading into the lottery room, the drawing room, turning over all of his electronic devices, cutting himself off from the outside world, and watching the local cageers change the course of their franchise. Two years ago it happened when I was right outside that room, and the Spurs landed Victor Wembanyama. Last year it happened, the Spurs got their lottery ball combination drawn again and landed in the top four to draft the eventual Rookie of the Year, Stefan Castle. This year, their lottery ball combination comes up again. They don’t get the big prize, but they get a pretty big prize, Tom. I think the prediction we’re going to make to start out this podcast is you’re not going to be doing this next year. Does that sound like a plan for you?

[Tom Orsborn]: Yeah, Brian, Brian and I talked about that. He said, you know, we’re we’re a winning combination, he said. So, you know, you have to clear your calendar if we ever have to do this again. And I said, well, hopefully you never have to again. He said, well, there’s always a trade. You know, there’s always always that possibility. So, but no, it was interesting last night that he um, you know, in 2023, as the as the balls were pulled up and the numbers were read, he was really struggling to find a combination to see if the Spurs had won. And he couldn’t find it. Of course, there were 140 combinations that year, and the Rocket’s rep leaned over to him and whispered, “I think it’s you. I think you got it.” But this year, there were 60 combinations and he was right on the money. As soon as that fourth ball came up and the number was read, he knew it, started nodding his head, and, you know, tapped the table with his hand. That was his form of celebration. You know, two years ago it was a little understated fist bump. So yeah, it was he was talking about that afterward, how he knew this time around that they had gotten it, but yeah, he was elated.

Mike Finger: And I guess there’s a possible They do own some Atlanta picks, so I guess I was just thinking you could go back with him with him Spurs handling the Atlanta picks. But that leads us to the natural next topic of conversation here, after we get past just the the shellshock, laughable, hilarious turn of events that Nico Harrison and the and the Dallas Mavericks won this lottery, which just shows that good planning gets rewarded, fellas. Competence, competence always pays off. It’s good karma. I’m not sure that the Spurs are going to make this pick. And I’ll I’ll start the conversation with just the what we know. Uh, what we know is there’s a fella from Rutgers, the college basketball hotbed of Rutgers, called Dylan Harper, who seems to be the consensus number two player in this draft behind Cooper Flag. I think there’s a lot of agreement on that. They’re they’re there’s some outlier takes out there which which you know, there’s always somebody trying to be contrarian, but it seems to be pretty well decided that Dylan Harper is the guy who most scouts, talent evaluators, executives, think is the second best player in this draft. He’s he’s a guy who could fit into what the Spurs are building in San Antonio. The problem is, and it’s not a problem at all. I shouldn’t have used that word. The issue is there might be a better use of this huge asset that the Spurs just won last night than to add a player who has some overlap with the player they acquired at the trade deadline last year, De’Aaron Fox, and the player that they landed in last year’s draft, Stefan Castle. So, this leads to some natural questions about what do you do with this pick? It is now the third most attractive, maybe the second most attractive, trade chip that the Spurs have in their stockpile right now. Uh, you could do a lot of things with it. Jeff, I’m going to bring you in on this. Does this change your tune on the discussion we had two weeks ago about Giannis? Does it lead you to think that maybe you trade down and look for a shooter? Does it lead to more modest trades, or do you just say, “Hey, if everyone really loves Dylan Harper this much, the Spurs should take him and find room for him.”

Jeff McDonald: It’s it’s a lot of questions. A lot a lot of a lot of questions there. I don’t know where to start. I think there would be zero questions if the Spurs had just got the number one pick. Why didn’t they do that? They got so close. I think it’s I think it’s some I think it’s just proof that God hates the Spurs.

Mike Finger: Yeah. cursed franchise.

Jeff McDonald: Or it’s rigged. It’s got to be rigged. [laughs] Yes. What a curse. Yeah, the lottery is the lottery is so rigged that like the top the best picks of the last 40 years have gone to those big market teams like San Antonio and Orlando, and Cleveland.

Jeff McDonald: Like they don’t do a good They suck at rigging if they rig the lottery. Anyway, back to your questions about the number two pick. What was the first one? I’m like being interviewed and you ask I just have a three-part question now I can’t remember any of the parts.

Mike Finger: We’re going to start with the one that’s going to get all the people riled up and just say, does it Is Is do you have to use this pick now to get Giannis?

Jeff McDonald: Do you have to? Oh, absolutely have to. There’s no have to. No.

Mike Finger: See, that’s why I post the question that way because you do not have to.

Jeff McDonald: I think I think I mean, someone asked me, does this make it does this increase the odds of of trading for Giannis? And I guess the answer to that is yes, because the number two pick is more attractive than the number eight pick, which is where the Spurs were at. Like like so I guess that’s a pedantic way of answering it, but I I guess I can’t speak to what the Spurs will do, but I can speak to what I would do. And I’m still I’m not really pro trade for Giannis.

Jeff McDonald: I think I think I mean the main the main issue to me is I think you’re is that team in Oklahoma City. And I realize OKC is in a tied series with the Nuggets right now, so this might all But I think that team is going to be a monster for the next several years. And I think if you use a you use a lot of your capital to bring in Giannis, you make the Spurs a lot better. They’re clearly a Western Conference contender, but I have I fear that you’re spending a lot of capital to play for number two in the West. And you’re still going to have to wait out that Oklahoma City Dynasty in the making. And when that’s over, Giannis is past his prime. He’s 35 or something. So that’s one reason I would I would rather I would rather build for a window a little after that. And build build through the draft, and build a team that comes up together. And everything we know about the Spurs is that’s kind of how they they they’ve tend to operate and how they wanted to put this together. So that would be Now, the the flip side of that whole OKC argument is the most compelling argument I can think of to make a play for Giannis is to keep him from going to Oklahoma City and lengthening that with or Houston, making those two teams teams that you have to go through for the next half decade or more. And I don’t know if like preventing someone else from doing something is a good enough reason to do something yourself, but that’s the most compelling reason to me is to keep him out of those guys’ hands.

Mike Finger: I really hate everything that you just said. Like everything, because I agree with all of it.

Jeff McDonald: Yes! And I I want I want to debate you. I wanted to debate somebody.

Mike Finger: It’s just It I think that you you had it exactly right, and that makes for a really boring podcast.

Jeff McDonald: We we needed to throw down intellectually.

Mike Finger: And it’s just not going to happen. I didn’t want to have to. I think that like just we talked about it two weeks ago, the thought of Giannis in a Spurs uniform next to Victor Wembanyama is so crazy, funny, and exciting that I wouldn’t bash the Spurs for doing it, and I would totally understand if they did do it. upside for them doing it.

Jeff McDonald: I mean, it would work. It would work. I just don’t know that if it it works good enough. crazy as that sounds.

Mike Finger: But you want someone to play.

Nick Talbot: I’ll argue with you.

Mike Finger: Okay. I’ll argue with you. Okay. So you just have this 7-foot four guy who’s diagnosed with DVT. How long is your window? Do you know you’re going to get 10 years, 12 years of great Victor Wembanyama? I mean I mean not maybe not maybe gets hurt. There’s no guarantees in the NBA. And sometimes, instead of a dynasty, you have to plan for like the Bucks thought they were going to get more than one. They didn’t.

Nick Talbot: So So sometimes you just need to know go for what you can.

Mike Finger: Thank you for doing this because.

Nick Talbot: I think I think Giannis can give you a window to say, “Okay, we’re this is our championship window.” Victor and Giannis can at least get you one championship, maybe two, and then put you into the window right now instead of saying two or three years from now. Why are you building a championship contender for five years from now when you can be a championship contender right now.

Mike Finger: Thank you so much Nick for giving me some points to shoot down because that’s exactly That’s exactly what I needed.

Nick Talbot: Your Your You’re You’re the voice of the fan.

Mike Finger: Sometimes you have to play that devil’s advocate, but Yana can be the champion. It’s more about exactly I can that’s perfect. That is that is perfect. Now I can take I can pick this apart piece by piece. Because first of all, as as we discussed a couple weeks ago, all of what Nick said make make sense at first, but okay, if if Victor if his career is not going to be what we think it is, then like the that thing things aren’t good. Like like you you can’t plan for that. You can’t plan for the backup plan when you have Victor Wembanyama. I don’t think that’s the smart way to do things. You you want to build with Victor Wembanyama. You you don’t want to say, “Oh, if he’s not around then we need in 10 years then we need to make the most of it now.” I I don’t think that’s that’s the Spurs way of building. They don’t look short-term. They look long-term. That’s that part of it. The second part of it is, when you talk about needing to make your championship window now, that just does not go back through the last decade and a half of NBA history, teams that immediately that try for the immediate championship contention window do not succeed. No no uh Finals MVP, no best player in the Finals, best players on his final team, has ever been that in the first six, seven years of his career over the past two decades. Like it always takes time to to to build to that. We talked about this a couple weeks ago with the Rockets, with the Thunder. The Thunder were the best team in the West last year. Just ran into the wall in the playoffs. Like so you put Giannis and Victor together. Like sure they immediately become a really good team, maybe one of the top teams in the West, but that team needs to lose at least once, maybe twice in the in the playoffs before it gets over the hump. That’s just the way playoff success happens these days. You don’t immediately become a championship team. So Giannis is 30 years old. And if you figure you need like it it’s unrealistic to me, as good as that team could be, to think that that team could win the championship in the next two years. Victor needs a couple of years of figuring out the playoffs. Stefan Castle does. None of these other guys, like Keldon Johnson hasn’t played in the playoffs. Uh, if if Jeremy Sochan and Devin Vassell and those guys are still around, they haven’t played in the playoffs. You’re going to need two at least two years of runway minimum before you think about winning the championship. So at that point, to Jeff’s point, Giannis is 33. And he’s past his prime. And everyone’s getting really really expensive. And so my and and I’m not trying to be so like strident against Giannis. I’m just making the argument so people understand why it’s not a slam dunk. If you if you believe in Dylan Harper, or you believe in somebody younger, like if that guy’s going to be that good, why not take the 20-year-old and give yourself to to Nick’s point about if if Victor’s career isn’t going to be as long as it is. Well then now you have a 20-year-old future All-star, you hope, with Stefan Castle and with De’Aaron Fox. When they traded for De’Aaron Fox at the deadline, some people said the one drawback to that was he was too old and he was 27. So, I I think that Nick brings up valid points. I just think that knowing the Spurs, they would have to be really, really, really convinced to go against how they’ve always built teams. They had to be convinced of something. And I just don’t see it yet as a slam dunk that this automatically means they’re going to go get Giannis. Uh, Tom, you can weigh in on any of this.

[Tom Orsborn]: Uh, Tom’s on mute.

Nick Talbot: I’ll offer one other point.

Mike Finger: Go but but go ahead and and counter Nick.

Nick Talbot: Sorry Sorry about Sorry Sorry about that.

Jeff McDonald: You can You can build and you can hope all you want, but the chances of you getting like Dylan Harper turning out to be as good as Giannis are very low. So you’re probably never going to get a player as good as to go next to it.

Jeff McDonald: Good good response. I mean, I mean that’s just the way it is.

Nick Talbot: Giannis is is there’s no guarantee Victor’s going to be as good as Giannis. I mean, that’s probably not true, but, you know, Giannis is one of the best players, and he has a championship pedigree. He’s already been there. He’s already won it. You’re not someone.

Mike Finger: Nick, let me ask you this. I agree. The chances that Dylan Harper ever will be as good as as Giannis was in his career are extremely low. What are the chances that uh there will be more value for Dylan Harper in 2028, three years from now, than uh Giannis in 2028, Giannis making $60 million a year at age 33. Who will be the more valued asset in 2028? Dylan Harper at the end of his rookie contract at age 22 or Giannis at 33 past his prime making $60 million a year.

Mike Finger: No no I mean basketball. I mean I mean I mean which which asset would you rather have on your team trying to win a championship? Just just to basketball-wise, how to build a team-wise, how how to add players around them. Which which who’s more valuable in 2028, which I think is the first year the Spurs can seriously consider winning a championship?

Nick Talbot: On on the court you think that you Okay, but again, you’re not you’re discounting the you’re not counting the salary cap, which is what you said, then Giannis. That’s a he’s a guarantee. Harper’s not a guarantee. He could be a flop.

Mike Finger: Giannis is a guaranteed age 33?

Nick Talbot: I I mean look at him. I mean he’s a freak. He’s He’s not He’s not Zion Williamson. He’s not over there eating cheeseburgers or whatever having triples a week. That guy is just a chiseled guy. I mean he hasn’t had a huge injury history. He’s not Anthony Davis.

Nick Talbot: I I I I think I I take I take Giannis on the court. I take Giannis at 33. Do I take him at 35, 36? That also factors into it. maybe maybe not. But 33, I think he’s still going to be Giannis.

Mike Finger: See, it’s it’s but but it brings up it’s I’m glad because It’s where these these great players kind of saw their and LeBron James start seeing decline, you know. And that’s what the Spurs are building towards is they as they want the their window is 2027, 2028, that that area through like the early 2030s. And and Giannis doesn’t fit into that. And yes, I realize he’s such a generationally great player that maybe you make an exception anyway and you think that you have him for a few years and then move on to whatever’s next. But this is the argument against it and it’s not a matter of Dylan Harper versus Giannis like who’s going to be the better player, who’s more likely to go to the Hall of Fame. Obviously, that’s one-sided. It’s a matter of how how they fit into what the Spurs are building. And I think it’s a decent conversation to have, and Tom, you can jump in whenever you want.

[Tom Orsborn]: If if Harper fulfills his promise of being favorably compared to Cade Cunningham, I mean that’s. That’s a solid solid number two at to pair with Victor. Then you throw in Fox and Castle. I mean that’s a homegrown nucleus that could have a window as big as the one I’m looking out here in Chicago from my hotel room. It’s a rather. that window though. It’s a rather large window. It’s it’s it’s rather large.

Mike Finger: What are you looking out upon in Chicago time?

[Tom Orsborn]: The river, the river. It’s nice, very nice for you. Little foggy this morning, but nonetheless it’s a big window. So that’s That’s what the Spurs want. They, you know, they’re not looking at one championship. They’re they’re looking at contending for this, you know, having sustainability for for the future for a long time. And Cunningham like Mike said at age 19, if I mean, Harper at age 19, if he compares to Cunningham, that’s that’s a hell of a number two.

Nick Talbot: Hey Hey, can you see Trump Tower from your window?

[Tom Orsborn]: No, I cannot. Okay, just That makes the window. Yeah.

Mike Finger: Anyway, the So it’s not it’s not the greatest window we ever saw. Right, right. But it’s But that leads Tom, that’s that leads to another option here, which it’s not just it’s not just Dylan Harper or Giannis. There are middle grounds. There are there are When I think Brian Wright mentioned to Tom Orsborn coming out of the of the drawing room yesterday that the Spurs have the pick of the litter. Is that right? I think that that struck me, yeah. the litter is not just the draft class. It’s it’s all kinds of things. It’s it’s uh trade targets and it’s not just the second best player in the draft. Like if the Spurs decide that they want somebody else really really wants Dylan Harper who needs a lead guard, the Spurs kind of have tuned now. You know, you could trade down a couple spots if if they had somebody targeted that four or five or six or somewhere along there, and then collect more stuff to go with it. I think the Spurs are going to have a lot of options coming their way. I think they’re going to be a lot of offers made to the Spurs from teams who want to move up and are really intrigued by Dylan Harper. I don’t think that someone other than Dylan Harper is going to be taken second. I’m I’m I’m no Hey you know the guru. But I like Ace Bailey is the guy who Well, if if the idea of Ace Bailey fits the Spurs better than Dylan Harper does. He’s a tall, strong guy who can make a shot. Really really really good looking athlete. He just doesn’t didn’t do much this year. Friend friend of the podcast John Hollinger who I think saw Ruker’s in person. I think John saw Ruker’s in person a bunch this year. Had his list of draft prospects come out yesterday, and he had him 12th, Ace Bailey. And that’s that’s he’s low on that and that that might be extreme. But the point is like Ace Bailey is is a project. He’s not close to to being the difference maker that Dylan Harper is yet. He’s at his best, I think he fits the Spurs better than anybody other than Cooper Flag in the draft. It’s just it it’s the kind of gamble that I’m not sure the Spurs make with that pick. And so I I I think that somebody is going to take Dylan Harper second, and it’s a matter whether if the Spurs are that team or not. And another team could be the Milwaukee Bucks if the Spurs trade for Giannis or it could be like say, does Utah want to trade up a couple spots and get him? And uh does that bring like Lauri Markkanen back into the to the discussion? He’s He’s a very very very poor man’s Giannis.

Jeff McDonald: I’m just I’m just saying.

Mike Finger: And I don’t think there’s the Lauri Markin thing is going to happen at all. I just through that out as an example of of take a lower level type of guy and and maximize that that asset that the Spurs just got. You You want to know what I would do if I was Brian Wright?

Jeff McDonald: It’s it’s going to break the podcast podcastverse. I wouldn’t overthink it, and I would take Dylan Harper.

Jeff McDonald: And I’ve heard the arguments. “Well, they already have this guy and that guy,” but it like it’s this Has anybody watched the NBA in 2025? Like it’s not really about positions. Like I yes, I get, “Yeah, well we need shooting. Yeah, but we need uh a big guy.” Well go get those guys other ways. You have another pick in the first round. There’s free agency. When you have the second pick, take the best player there. And if you’re not going to do that, then then yeah, trade trade down. Get something for for uh let somebody else take the next Cade Cunningham and you go trade get something else and take fifth or whatever. But take take the best player. you can play all those guys. If they’re as good if they’re as good as you think they are, you can play all those guys.

Mike Finger: Yep. And the the other that’s the other counter to the Giannis argument is that um what’s the last if if you trade for Giannis, you’re building a a super team. You’re you’re building around basically three, four guys who are going to be making a of of of a a ton of money in a few years and you’re going to have to find that minimums around them in a few years. It’s just going to be these these three huge contracts and three three stars, and what’s the when’s the last time that has worked for a championship in the NBA? It has been a while. It’s that the there’s cautionary tales left and right named Kevin Durant’s last two teams. You know, it’s it’s just hard to make that work anymore. And just the way the NBA is going, it’s the teams with with a bunch of depth with a bunch of young players who grown together. That’s the formula for building a contender these days. And here’s the other thing. If you take Dylan Harper, now you have uh uh you’ve added to your stable of guys that other teams are going to want over the years and you can always adjust off of that. If you throw everything into Giannis, you’re kind of stuck with that. And and being stuck is that’s that’s the wrong word for adding a guy who’s a perennial MVP candidate and is a huge difference maker and has won a title and all that type of stuff. But you are you are limited to that lane for the foreseeable future. And that might be the lane that they choose. I’m just saying that I think I side with Jeff as to just taking the best guy and making it work. Like like Dylan Dylan Harper would be the number one pick in a lot of drafts. Not this one, and not the Victor draft, but maybe last year.

Jeff McDonald: Last year Last year.

Mike Finger: Just don’t overthink it. At number two, don’t overthink it. Don’t be the team that’s like, “We already have Clyde Drexler. We can’t have Michael Jordan, too.”

Mike Finger: Take the guys that can play and figure it out. And and you made you brought up a good point uh when you were uh when you were playing devil’s advocate with your own argument earlier about the idea of if the Spurs don’t trade for Giannis then somebody they’re trying to beat will. And that’s that’s pretty likely actually. Like I think Houston, Houston’s considered the second most likely team to trade for him, and uh if you’re a Spurs fan, that would be disappointing, because I think Houston’s going to be in the running for the next few years and to seek Houston’s already sort of a year ahead of you. More than a year ahead of you. They they just went through their year where they had what the second or third second seat in the West, third seed in the West and and flamed out in the first round. They’ve taken those lumps. Now they’re ready to take their step forward next year. If you add, you’re even farther ahead of you. So that would be uh kind of a fear if you’re the Spurs that you allow somebody else that’s kind of on your timeline to take a step ahead of you. But Jeff also said, “I’m I’m praising Jeff’s logic way too much today.” That I got a good night’s sleep. That most uh that that that it’s not a good rationale. It’s not a good reason to do something. It’s because you’re afraid somebody else will. That that that’s not the way you run a franchise. It It is a catch 20 it is a catch 22 in that if you trade for if you’re the Spurs and you trade for Giannis, you’re probably still not good enough to compete with the top of the West, and there’s no way to really get good enough. You’ve you’ve you’ve landlocked yourself. On the other hand, if he goes to Houston or he goes to Oklahoma City, you’re having to wait out the rest of Giannis’s career until you can compete with those teams again.

Nick Talbot: I think that’s the follow.

Jeff McDonald: Is it gonna be good enough? I think that’s the false here. I think they’re well, I maybe I just I think Oklahoma City even without Giannis is going to be a complete beast for the next five years. And I I don’t see I don’t yeah. And while there’s while they’re while they’re in a 2-2 series with the Nuggets, but I just like they’re not going to get worse from here. They’re only going to get better.

Mike Finger: They have.

Jeff McDonald: The Spurs team, the Spurs team last year even with, you know, Chris Paul on it, who’s not going to be around, um the aging Harrison Barnes was not a Giannis away from like a top three seat in the West. Let alone getting a top three seed in the West and making it through four rounds of the playoffs. Like they they are not a Giannis That team was not a Giannis away from competing for a title. I’m just trying to be honest here. And yes, if you if you trade for Giannis, you probably pull off some more win now moves that could lead to some more improvement. But then you’re really putting all your eggs in the 2025 to like 2028 window, which is not the window that the Spurs have had in mind for the past few years under Victor. So yeah, that’s that’s That’s That’s the drawback. And now, you know, of course they’re going to go trade for him and we’re going to have to uh We’re We’re going to have to eat all these words. But um I I I’m with Jeff on this. Well, I mean you talk Go ahead. Well, when you talk about not overthinking it, I think it applies to what we know about the Spurs. You know, they’re super patient. They’re not going to skip steps, and they want that, again, that after mentioned very large window. So I mean all of that points to Harper. You You’ve seen You’ve seen we won’t we’ll have to eat our words. But I don’t know about that. I mean, I I think um as with most of these discussions, like you can see both sides. Like like no one’s going to say, “You treated for Janis, you idiot.” No no one’s going to say that. It’s just if if you weigh both sides, I come down on the let’s wait it out side. Like I understand that argument. But I understand both arguments. And again, that doesn’t make good podcasting. Understanding both arguments. But I do.

Mike Finger: Yeah. And And uh again, as as uh as vociferous as I’ve been on the anti-trade-for-Giannis side, it’s not like I’m 100% against it. It’s like I’ve still sort of 70-30, maybe, like cuz cuz the like the content would be so incredible of uh of covering a team with Giannis and Victor and you know, everybody else that they’d have on it. I I think it’s just sort of not Spurssian. It’s It’s It’s It’s not uh right. It’s not a pound the rock move, if you will. So I would I would just do the obvious thing, take Dylan Harper number two. Maybe with that 14th pick, you can get a shooter or some uh some big man help. You can go into free agency, you could sign a shooter. I mentioned a Luke Kennard type a couple weeks ago. Like someone like that. You can maybe sign a backup big man. like people some of these vets will want to come here now, you know. You know, I don’t go get a Brooke Lopez or if if you know, if Milwaukee’s blowing that up or get a get a Clint Capella or something like that. Or who’s the guy from the the the French kid from Philadelphia would be like a really cheap option. Like Gabuseli. Gabuseli, yeah. Jakob Pertle. Yeah. Yeah. Something you know, you you can there’ll be ways to fill in those blanks. You don’t have to like You don’t have to pass over a a potential star talent at number two just because he doesn’t fit box A or B that you’re looking for. There’s other ways to fill those boxes.

Mike Finger: And when you think about um the the fit. Let’s let’s explore that angle here, and just assume that the Spurs take Dylan Harper. It’s not a square peg in a round hole situation, because De’Aaron Fox pure point guard. Like that’s his position. That’s what he does. Pick and roll with Victor, all that stuff. He’s your starting point guard. That has not changed. He’s 27 years old. You have him in what can should be considered his prime years for the next several years. Dylan Harper sort of a uh he he he leans point guard, but he’s kind of what they call a combo guard, one and two. You can play him next to De’Aaron Fox. Like teams play combo guards next to point guards all the time. That works. And Stefan Castle, he’s also a combo, but he’s got some three to him, right? And and the NBA is positionless. But it’s it’s more about who you can guard, and Steph Can. It’s it’s more about who you can guard, and Stefan Castle can guard threes. No problem. He can guard wings. Those three guys, while that’s not like the dream way that you you set up an NBA lineup. Uh, ideally you’d have one guy of those three who’s just a sharp shooter, um sniper. Uh, those three guys can sort of coexist on the court at the same time, I would think. Um, and would give teams a lot of problems in the process. Uh, having those three guys together. And then you know, you want and and maybe that that changes the way you fill out the rest of the lineup. Like Victor’s not a classic big man in the middle. Like he’s going he’s going to take care of some of the shooting himself. You need some shooting from that four spot. But that’s not a uh that’s not an inconceivable mix.

Jeff McDonald: I mean not for nothing and this is going to bother people, but it wouldn’t be I wouldn’t put it past the Spurs to draft a kid at number two and bring him off the bench for his first year. I mean they kind of did that with Steph Castle at number four last year for a lot of it. Yeah. Like you you you might just be starting who everyone thinks they’re going to start already and bring Harper off the bench. Just at least to start, you know.

Mike Finger: Yep. And And shooting still is a desperate need. And uh and and I think that uh, you