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By august-bembel | Pounding The Rock (PtR), 2025-11-16 00:48:53
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赛季开打十二场,马刺队取得了 8 胜 4 负的战绩。如果他们能保持这个节奏,赛季结束时将取得 56 胜 28 负的成绩——这足以在季后赛中获得主场优势。还不错,是吧?
确实不错。但马刺队或许无法一直保持两倍于失利场次的胜场数。好消息是:他们也无需如此。
在过去两个赛季,49 场胜利就足以锁定西部第六的席位;而再往前一个赛季,44 胜便已足够。对于这支球队而言,取得 44 到 49 场胜利似乎是一个可以实现的目标。
一个可能的首轮对手或许就是金州勇士队——巧合的是,马刺刚刚在主场连续两次输给了他们。如果这是季后赛,那么马刺基本已经出局了。所以,让我们用季后赛的视角来审视昨晚的这场对决。
几点观察
缺乏调整:马刺在周三的比赛中没有给予斯蒂芬·库里 (Steph Curry) 足够的重视——昨晚他们同样如此。为什么他们没有持续用最好的防守者去对位他?为什么他们没有更频繁地使用包夹战术?为什么在第三节末段库里手感滚烫时,上前试图防守他的人偏偏是德阿隆·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox)(坦白说,他防得也并不卖力)?无论你怎么看:当一名 37 岁的老将背靠背砍下 49 分时,教练组也需要成长和反思了。
福克斯的防守恐怕不会再有任何“成长”了;他是进攻端的王牌,却是防守端的巨大漏洞。仅在开场三分钟内,他就两次被掩护挡死,两次漏掉了库里(之后又漏掉了好几次),还让德雷蒙德·格林 (Draymond Green) 轻松一步过掉。到了季后赛,福克斯必将成为对手的集火目标。
仅看技术统计,福克斯和维克托·文班亚马 (Victor Wembanyama) 都打出了不错的进攻表现:分别以 21 次和 22 次出手得到 24 分和 26 分。但问题在于,他们是否将彼此的作用最大化了。答案是:效果不错,但仍有提升空间。
两人之间的挡拆——被广泛视为联盟潜在的顶级武器——实际上发生的频率并不高。尽管如此,根据 Statmuse 的数据,自从福克斯回归以来,马刺的进攻效率从 112.3 跃升了 6 个点,达到了 118.3。原因之一是:在过去四场比赛中,文班场均三分出手 8.3 次,远高于缺少福克斯的前八场比赛中的 3.1 次,并且命中率高达 42%。这非常出色。
即便如此,马刺仍在经历成长的阵痛。福克斯和文班或许可以做得更多,以带动其他首发队友——但斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle) 和德文·瓦塞尔 (Devin Vassell) 也需要更主动地参与进来。这对组合共计出场 67 分钟,却仅出手 16 次。当卡斯尔持球突破时,好事就会发生;当瓦塞尔在外线远投时,同样如此。但昨晚,他们两人都没有足够频繁地发挥自己的优势。
积极的一面是,朱利安·尚帕尼 (Julian Champagnie) 在替补席上提供了得分爆发力,并继续成为高阶数据的宠儿。本赛季(以及上个赛季),当他在场时,马刺的表现总是优于他不在场时,他的在场正负值已经攀升至 +7.2。他的合同廉价得令人难以置信,但如果他能保持这样的表现,马刺应该优先考虑让他在这份合同到期后,长久地身披银黑战袍。
尽管如此,马刺的未来,终究系于一人之名:维克托·文班亚马。德雷蒙德·格林试图激怒他的行为就像日出一样可以预见,但文班处理此事的方式尽显风度。或许,在未来可能的季后赛对决中,他不会再让格林在最后一攻中将自己卡在身后,抢走篮板。
点击查看原文:What we learned from the Spurs’ home loss to the Warriors
What we learned from the Spurs’ home loss to the Warriors
Twelve games into the season, the Spurs sit at 8–4. If they keep that pace, they’d finish with 56 wins and 28 losses – strong enough for home-court advantage. Not bad, is it?
Not bad indeed. But the Spurs may not win twice as many games as they lose. The good news is: they don’t have to.
In the last two seasons, 49 wins were enough for the sixth seed in the West; the season before, 44 wins did the job. Landing somewhere between 44 and 49 feels doable for this team.
A likely first-round opponent could be the Golden State Warriors – incidentally, the team they’ve just lost to twice in a row at home. If those were playoff games, the Spurs would basically be gone. So let’s look at last night’s matchup through a playoff lens.
Takeaways
Lack of adjustment: The Spurs didn’t take Steph Curry seriously on Wednesday – and they didn’t take him seriously last night either. Why wasn’t their best defender on him consistently? Why didn’t they send double teams more frequently? Why was De’Aaron Fox, of all people, the one trying (not especially hard, to be fair) to guard Curry when he got hot late in the third quarter? However you frame it: when a 37-year-old goes off for 49 points in back-to-back games, the coaching staff has some growing up to do.
Fox probybly won’t “grow” any further; he’s an ace on offense and a major liability on the other end. In the opening three minutes alone he died on two screens, lost Curry twice (and several more times later) and let Draymond Green blow by him. Come playoff time, Fox is going to be an instant target.
Looking only at the box score, both Fox and Wembanyama had good offensive games: 24 and 26 points on 21 and 22 shots. The question is whether they maximized each other. The answer: it’s good, but there’s room for improvement.
The pick-and-roll between the two – widely seen as a potential league-best weapon – isn’t happening particularly often. Still, per Statmuse, the Spurs’ offensive rating has jumped by six points, from 112.3 to 118.3, since Fox’s return. One reason: Wemby has averaged 8.3 three-point attempts over his last four games, up from 3.1 in the first eight without Fox, and he has hit 42 percent. That’s excellent.
Even so, the Spurs are experiencing growing pains. Fox and Wemby could probably do more to involve their fellow starters – but Castle and Vassell also need to involve themselves more. The duo played 67 combined minutes but took only 16 shots. Good things happen when Castle drives; good things happen when Vassell shoots from deep. Neither leaned into their strengths often enough last night.
On the positive side, Champagnie provided a scoring punch off the bench and continues to be a play-by-play darling. The Spurs have been better with him on the floor than off all season (and the season’s before the current one), and his on-court plus/minus has climbed to +7.2. He’s on a ludicrously cheap contract, but if this continues, the Spurs should make it a priority to keep him in Silver and Black well beyond that deal.
Still, the future of the Spurs is spelled with one name: Victor Wembanyama. Draymond Green trying to get under his skin is as predictable as sunrise, but the way Wemby handled it was pure class. And maybe, in a future playoff matchup, he won’t allow Green to box him out on the final possession.
By august-bembel, via Pounding The Rock
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勇士球迷在此,希望我的话不会听起来不太对劲。
斯蒂芬大概是历史前五的球员,在他所处的时代里绝对是。你们的球队正在崛起,而我们正处于下坡路。请珍惜他仍然能打出那些“我X,斯蒂芬逆天了”的时刻,就像我们其他人现在已经进入了对文班第三年的这种欣赏期一样。如果运气好,没有伤病,再加上合适的拼图(比如现在尤其是卡斯尔),在10或15年后,维克托很可能成为历史前五的球员,在他那个时代里也绝对是,届时我们回首往事也会有同样的感觉。
我见证过80年代的湖人/凯尔特人,90年代的公牛,00年代的湖人/马刺,库里时代的勇士。恕我直言,你们的冠军球队里满是名人堂成员和卓越的教练,但(在我看来)没有一个“独角兽”。现在你们有了一个,而且他看起来头脑非常清醒。
哈哈,我都不知道自己想表达什么了,也许只是因为我只有在勇士和你们比赛时才真正看文班打球,又或许是我喝了杯超大份的咖啡。我一直很喜欢(并且正在享受)看斯蒂芬打球,现在我又能看文班了。我们一周内击败了你们两次,但你们未来会一片光明,而且我认为在未来几年里,我们会看到激动人心的雷霆对决马刺的西部决赛系列赛,或许从今年开始,或许明年。
顺便问个问题:马刺当然以他们的国际球员而闻名。为什么当今联盟最顶尖的球员中有三位来自欧洲(SGA除外,因为他来自加拿大)?
对原文的一些观点严重不认同:
我的拙见:
斯蒂芬·库里是名人堂级别的超级巨星。如果有什么防守能防住他,那对整个NBA来说都是新闻了。超级巨星是无法被阻止的,只能被延缓。
我们输球不是因为库里打疯了,也不是因为德文和卡斯尔出手不够多,更不是因为“法式香草冰淇淋”太多或者索汉太少之类的。我们输球就是因为失误,句号。尤其是在上半场,我们本可以掌控比赛。在赛季的这个阶段,这是我们最大的阿喀琉斯之踵。(很多失误都是非受迫性的,就是太大意、想得太多以及过度传球造成的。)
最后一投是个好球,福克斯大多数时候都能投进。NBA历史上没有人能命中每一个决定比赛胜负的投篮。例如福克斯,在4场比赛里,他是2投1中,命中率50%。任何人都愿意把赌注压在这种概率上。
话虽如此,福克斯在关键时刻的表现确实非常糟糕。在我看来,他似乎打得太紧了,需要放松下来,就正常打球就好。
我们的很多球员在关键时刻既有糟糕的发挥,也有出色的表现。这是一场团队的失利。好的一面是,我们和联盟中最顶尖的球员们掰了手腕,只是惜败。我们的时代即将到来!!
对你的评论,我也有一些严重不认同的地方……
库里在周三比赛前场均得分是25分,不是49分。马刺连续两次在防守他方面都惨败。他刚在你头上砍下49分,然后48小时后,你们最好的主意就是让达龙·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox)——单枪匹马——在大部分时间里防他?
卡斯尔去年还是新秀时就把库里锁死了。只要把库里的得分限制在35分,即便有20次失误,这场比赛也足以轻松拿下。
顺便说一句,最好习惯马刺在未来一段时间内会是一支高失误的球队。一个7尺5寸的持球手,他的控球永远不可能那么稳;卡斯尔不是一个天生的控球后卫;而福克斯的助攻失误比也从来都不怎么好看。马刺降低失误的希望在于迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper)。
未来10场比赛:
国王、灰熊、老鹰、太阳、开拓者、掘金、森林狼、灰熊、魔术、骑士
我认为这是一个足以非常准确地描绘出这支球队想达到何种高度的样本。
这期间既有卯足了劲想赢我们的强队,也有陷入挣扎、拼死一搏的球队,还有几支是争冠级别的队伍。
如果我们什么都不做,只把场均失误降到16次或以下,我们应该能取得6胜4负的战绩。
自第一场比赛以来,我们还没有打出过一场从头到尾都高质量的比赛。在接下来的10场比赛里,这种情况必须改变。
所以,在经历了多年输球战绩的沉沦之后……我们球迷现在因为球队取得了8胜4负的战绩(这意味着他们赢了近67%的比赛)而互相指责。我们大多数人,如果在生活中做决定的成功率有这么高,做梦都会笑醒。
福克斯和文班几乎没怎么在一起打过球,而且福克斯自己也才刚复出没多久。化学反应需要时间……让它自然发展吧。
勇士是一支优秀的球队,而斯蒂芬总会打出斯蒂芬式的表现。所以连续两场惜败给他们虽然很糟糕,但我们的心态应该是“嘿,伙计们,打得还不错”,而不是“我们解散球队、解雇教练吧”。
球队真正需要集中精力解决的一个领域是失误。解决了这个问题,这些比赛中就会有更多场次计入胜利……但同样,这需要成熟度和团队化学反应。
年轻的雷霆队在横扫所有人之前也必须经历挫折……马刺的时代终将到来。
我对整个“文班打挡拆顺下将是致命武器”的说法很着迷。这种说法无处不在(包括这篇文章),但为什么呢?难道只是因为人们想偶尔看到一些惊艳的扣篮吗?
作为一名挡拆顺下球员,文班在新秀赛季的表现相当平庸。当时很多挡拆是和特雷·琼斯 (Tre Jones) 一起打的,他是一位优秀且经验丰富的挡拆持球手。在他第二个赛季,即便是和克里斯·保罗 (Chris Paul) 这样的球员搭档,他在效率上也仅仅是略高于平均水平。本赛季,他的效率排在联盟后三分之一。挡拆顺下通常效率很高,但在文班这里,其效率和他自己单打差不多。另一方面,这支球队也没有高效的挡拆持球手。这支球队的挡拆打得很烂,而文班是其中很大一部分原因。
我想我们这些看球的人大概都明白为什么;文班的掩护质量实在是太差了。他或许可以在这方面更有耐心一些,但我不确定由于他的体型,他是否能真正精于此道。首发阵容里实际上没有一个好的掩护/挡拆设立者。科内特是精英级别的,但是打替补。索汉在这方面还不错,但没得到上场时间。奥利尼克和比永博实际上做得很好,但根本得不到出场机会。
我在想,在进攻端把文班更多地当作一个大个侧翼而不是一个内线球员来使用,会不会更有成效。至少目前是这样。
我对最后一攻没有意见。那是单打,福克斯去到了他自己舒服的位置,而且差一点就投进了。也许球应该给文班,但像那样一个低失误风险的回合,你可以接受。
是之前的那几分钟,我们需要做得更好。
是连续两场比赛20次失误。
除了在失误和进攻篮板的争夺上再次输掉之外,球队的表现有很多值得称道的地方。
我们在科内特在场的17分钟里没能占到任何便宜(-10)。我认为球队非常想念哈珀。
我希望他们在这些比赛之后能真正专注于那些细节,从而变得更好。失误实实在在地让勇士留在了比赛中(并让库里打出了超神表现)。
你可以从文班赛后的采访中看到,这场失利真的让他很受伤。
我赛前就说过,福克斯、德文和尚帕尼需要站出来。
尚帕尼做到了,福克斯得分更好但在关键时刻表现不佳,而德文则没太大影响。
考虑到德文目前扮演的角色,他的合同看起来贵得离谱……场上毕竟只有一个球。
我们仍然缺乏一点整体的杀手本能。卡斯尔和文班有,但我们需要其他人也加入进来。福克斯必须是其中之一……我希望他能尽快找回自己的比赛状态。
对阵萨克拉门托的比赛不是白给的——那支球队打得很糟糕,教练刚刚公开批评了他们。
如果马刺接下来的3个主场比赛没能赢下来,我们可能会看到一些阵容和上场时间的调整。
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I went back and rewatched this morning. Cannot be understated how bad Fox was to close this game. In the last 2 minutes he went 0-4, had a bad pass turnover and fouled curry with 6 seconds left to give them the lead. 4 of our last 5 possesions Fox took the shot. That should never happen again here. This is not his team. That is not his role. Go back to the kings if you want to play that way. Move the ball find the open man play good team basketball. Spurs basketball. Or at least get the ball to Wemby ffs. This goes for everyone. Selfish basketball is rarely winning basketball. Being the hero doesn’t happen if you lose.
Steph had two games with almost 50 points to win by 1 and 5 points against the Spurs. Respect to him, he’s one of the GOATS, and the Spurs are a very young team, which was evident in crunch time. However, hearing people rave about Draymond Green’s defense on Wembley when he averaged 28.5 points, 13.5 rebounds, and 7 assists over the two games on 49% shooting, and also 3 fouls and 5.5 turnovers per game… Meanwhile, DG averaged 6 points, 6.5 rebounds, and 6 assists over the two games… on 4-for-22 shooting and 0-for-10 from three-point range for 18% accuracy. And also 4 turnovers and 5.5 fouls.
I know that winning or losing allows history to be rewritten, but once again, it’s Steph who saves DG’s skin.
Not to mention that a player other than DG would have picked up several technical fouls in these two games, given how he talks to the referees.
Oh yeah, and DG gets more free throws than VW, which seems surprising when watching the game. It seems like anything goes to stop Wemby, and the referees don’t see anything wrong with it.
The road is still long for the Spurs, but it’s really promising, and I can’t wait to see what’s next! Go Spurs Go!
Excuse my English, I’m french
Warriors fan here, hopefully this doesn’t come off the wrong way.
Steph is probably top-5 all time, definitely in his era. Your team is on the rise, we’re on the downslope. Appreciate the moments where he still does the holy s**t Steph things, as the rest of us are now in the 3rd year of doing with Wemby. With injury luck and complementary pieces (like Castle atm especially), in 10 or 15 years Victor could well be top-5 all time and definitely in his era, and we’ll be looking back thinking the same thing.
I’ve seen the 80s Lakers/Celtics, 90s bulls, 00’s Lakers / Spurs, Curry Warriors. With respect, your championship teams were full of Hall of Famers and excellent coaching, but not a (imo) Unicorn. Now you have one, and with a seemingly good head on his shoulders.
I’m not sure where I’m going with this lol, maybe it’s just that I only really watch Wemby when we play you, maybe it’s the massive coffee I drank. I’ve loved (and am loving) watching Steph, now I get to watch Wemby. We beat you twice in a week, but you’re going to be fine and I think we’ll be watching exciting OKC vs. SA WCF series over the next few years, maybe starting this year maybe next.
Side question: Spurs of course are known for their overseas players. Why are 3 of the current top players from Europe (SGA excepted as he’s from Canada)?
After reading the comments I add,
When Fox hit winning shot in Chi, some cautioned there will be peaks and valleys in this partner ship. It will take time for this Wemby/Fox combo to develop.
Our team is trying to win again after years of losing. Meaning they have to learn how to win, which often means how not to lose.
Takes Time.
Let the stew cook people..PATIENCE
Some serious disagreement with the piece:
My Dime:
Steph Curry is a HOF, superstar. If there is some defense that can stop him, it would be news to the rest of the NBA. Superstars cannot be stopped, just slowed down.
We did not lose due to Steph going ballistic, Devin and Castle not getting enough shots, too much French Vanilla, too less Sochan, etc. We lost because of turnovers period. Especially 1st half when we could have taken control of the game. At this point in the season this is our biggest Achilles heel. (Many of these TOs are unforced, just careless, doing too much, and over passing type.)
3.The last shot was a good shot, Fox will hit that most of the time. No one in NBA history has ever hit every game winning shot. Fox, for example is 1 for 2 , in 4 games , which is 50%. Anyone would take their chances with that.
That said, Fox was very bad in the clutch. He seems to me he is pressing and just needs to relax and just play bball.
Many of our guys made bad and good clutch plays. It was a team loss. Sliver lining, we went toe to toe with some of the best guys in the league and came up just short. Our time is coming!!
Some serious disagreement with your comments…
Curry entered Wednesday’s game averaging 25 points, not 49. The Spurs failed miserably in covering him twice in a row. He drops 49 on you, and then, 48 hours later, your best idea is to put De’Aaron Fox — all by himself — on him most of the time?
Castle locked Curry up last year as a rookie. Reducing Curry to 35 would have been enough to comfortably win this game despite the 20 turnovers.
By the way, better get used to the Spurs being a high-turnover team for some time. A 7’5 handler’s handle will never be close, Castle isn’t a natural point guard, and Fox has never had a particularly good assist-to-turnover ratio. The Spurs’ hope for less turnovers is Dylan Harper.
Here’s an article about Victor responding to Draymond and his trash talking:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/victor-wembanyama-dunk-draymond-green-trash-talk/ I didn’t see the game but I applaud Victor for his response. I don’t know why Draymond wasn’t given a T or an ejection either game. Draymond should not have so much power over the referees. I can’t wait until the day Draymond retires so we can be rid of him for good. If Draymond had been any other player, he’d get a T or an ejection and rightfully so.
Next 10 games:
Sac, Mem, Atl, Phx, Por, Den, Min, Mem, Orl, Cle
Now that is a sample size that I think will very accurately paint how good this team wants to be.
It’s going to be good teams aiming up against us and struggling teams getting desperate, with a couple of contenders as well.
If we do nothing else but reduce our turnovers to 16 or less a game, we should come out with a 6-4 record.
We still haven’t put together 1 wire-to-wire quality game since game 1. That’s gotta change in the next 10 games.
So after years of languishing with losing records…we fans are slinging mud because the team is 8-4 which means they are winning nearly 67% of the time. Most of us would kill to have made the right decision in life with that high a success rate.
Fox n Wemby have barely played together and Fox had barely played fullstop. Chemistry takes time…let it play out.
The Dubs are a good team, and Steph is gonna Steph. So two close games against them sucks, but should be a “Hey not too bad guys” perspective, rather than let’s blow the team up and fire the coach.
One area the team really needs to focus on clearing up is the turnovers. Do that and more these games end up i the win column…but again that is just maturity and team chemistry.
A young OKC team had to get their knocks before they ran through everyone…the Spurs time will come.
I’m fascinated w/ the whole “P&R w/ Wemby’s gonna be deadly” narrative. It’s everywhere (including this post), but why? Is it just people wanting to see impressive dunks once in a while?
As a P&R rollman, Wemby was pretty average in his rookie year. A lot of that happened w/ Tre who’s a good & experienced P&R operator. In his second season, he was only a bit above average in efficiency w/ CP3 of all people. This season, he’s in the bottom 1/3 in efficiency. P&R rollman is usually pretty efficient, but in Wemby’s case, it’s as efficient as him going iso. The flip side of it is this team having no efficient P&R ballhandler. This team kind of sucks at P&R & Wemby is a big part of it.
I think those of us who watch the game kind of get why; Wemby simply sucks at setting a pick. He can probably get more patient there, but I’m not sure he’ll ever become good at it because of his body type. The starting unit actually has no good pick/screen setter. Kornet is elite, but is coming off the bench. Sochan is decent at it, but isn’t getting min. Olynyk & Biyombo are actually good at it, but aren’t getting any playing time.
I wonder if it’s more productive to treat Wemby more as a big wing offensively than as a big man. At least for now.
I’m ok with the last play. It’s iso, Fox getting to a spot he is comfortable with, and he nearly made it. Maybe Wemby should have got the ball instead, but you live with a low turnover risk play like that.
It’s the minutes before that where we need to be better.
It’s the 20 turnovers in back to back games.
There was a lot to like with the team’s performance other than losing the turnover and O Reb battle (again).
We were unable to get any advantage with Kornet’s 17 minutes on the floor (-10). Harper was sorely missed I think.
I hope they really lock in on those details after these games to get better. It literally kept the Warriors in the game (and Curry going supernova)
You could see in Wemby’s interview post game that the loss really stung.
I said before the game that Fox, Devin and Champs needed to step up.
Champs did, Fox scored better but wasn’t great in the clutch, and Devin wasn’t much of a factor.
Devin is looking awfully pricey for the role he is playing…there is only one ball to go around.
We are still lacking a bit of overall killer instinct. Castle and Wemby have it, but we need others to come on the journey. Fox has to be one of those guys…I hope he finds his game again quickly.
The Sacramento game is not a gimme - that team is playing awful and the coach just called them out.
If the spurs don’t win the next 3 home games, we might see some lineup and minute changes.
via Pounding The Rock