🎧 Spurs Insider️ 播客: 文班亚马与圣安东尼奥的未来之路

Spurs Insider Podcast, 2025-01-01 06:04:00

由生成式人工智能翻译,译文内容可能不准确或不完整,以原文为准。

专栏作家迈克·芬格(Mike Finger)以及马刺队随队记者杰夫·麦克唐纳(Jeff McDonald)和汤姆·奥斯伯恩(Tom Orsborn)讨论了马刺队最近的东海岸客场之旅,斯蒂芬·卡斯尔(Stephon Castle)是否是年度最佳新秀的候选人,以及马刺队下周的赛程展望。

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马刺队不再留恋纽约

以下是播客的文字记录:

这里是来自南德克萨斯州各地高度安全的绝密网络的马刺内幕,新年特辑。我是你们的主持人迈克·芬格,与我们一如既往的《快报新闻》体育记者小组,杰夫·麦克唐纳和汤姆·奥斯伯恩,以及体育编辑尼克·塔尔博特(Nick Talbot)一起。已经过去几周了;我们休息了一周。希望大家没有太想念我们;希望我们也没有太想念彼此。这群本地篮球运动员进行了一次东海岸之旅,快速地去了趟中西部,自从我们上次和你们聊天以来,他们打了六场比赛。我将从汤姆·奥斯伯恩开始,他全程参与了在费城、纽约和布鲁克林的三场比赛。结果和我们在上次播客中预测的完全一样。我想我们都预测马刺队在这六场比赛中会取得三胜三负,而他们确实做到了。但是汤姆,你对你的行程细节和这六场比赛的整体印象如何?

迈克,从费城、纽约和布鲁克林,有很多东西要聊。那里发生了很多事。是的。你知道,从费城开始,裁判的判罚,上半场疯狂的判罚。维克托·文班亚马(Victor Wembanyama)被指责假摔。但技术犯规被撤销了。在纽约,他表现出色。

汤姆,那感觉像是很久以前的事了。感觉像是古老的历史。自那以来发生了多少变化?乔尔·恩比德(Joel Embiid)被驱逐出场。哇,那感觉像是发生在文班的新秀赛季!我们涵盖了太多内容了。

是啊,是啊,不是吗?在纽约,他表现出色。然后最后时刻的五五开球让他们输掉了比赛;他们没能拿到球。运气,坏运气,环境,无论是什么,但那就是让他们输掉了比赛。然后在布鲁克林,文班的下巴受到了重击,他形容那是一记上勾拳。完全是意外。

他不仅仅是这么形容的。转播画面显示的就是一记上勾拳。

是啊,是啊,但完全是意外。头,他很高,然后头撞到了他。完全是意外。但是,是的,那里发生了很多事。

而且你好像忽略了两个重点,汤姆。首先,他是圣诞英雄。虽然输了比赛,但对文班来说,这几乎是一场史无前例的圣诞首秀。然后他在公园里下棋。

我说过他表现出色。

好吧。下棋,是的,那也很精彩。一个非常,非常美好的时刻。但最终的结果,杰夫,是马刺队在我们在新年前夜录制此节目时仍然保持着五成胜率。在马刺队新年前夜对阵快船队之前,它有可能到达你们的耳朵和你们的数字播放器。但马刺队以五成胜率进入那场比赛,就像他们本赛季大部分时间一样。而且,我想这只是因为我们正在进入这个假期,这促使我们很多人在一年结束、新的一年开始之际进行反思。杰夫,马刺队在翻开日历新的一页时,他们究竟处于什么位置?

我会谈到这一点,但有一个问题要问你。你知道他们怎么说文班,你知道,他7尺3寸,7尺4寸,7尺5寸,他在篮球场上做的事情是别人从未做过的,是别人从未见过的。有时他们说,你知道,在篮球场上,他改变了棋盘。你认为在真正的棋盘上也一样吗?因为他7尺5寸,他可以做出别人从未见过的动作?

也许吧。就像,我认为他只是动作的实际物理性质,他从不同的角度来看待它。我不确定他改变了比赛。他可以坐在离棋盘更远的地方,可能仍然可以做出这些动作,因为他太高了。也许一位有进取心的随队记者应该研究一下这个问题。应该追踪所有与他对弈过的人,并对与文班下过棋的人进行口述历史记录。

下次当文班要在公园里下棋时,如果给我们超过30秒的预先通知,我们就会在那里。谢谢你。谢谢你,杰夫。谢谢你。我们会在那里。现在,回到你的问题。我们不能让记者抱怨他们没有被邀请参加一场有机的、真实的与公众的互动。拜托,伙计。你想把这件事变成媒体的狂欢。

我的意思是,我已经做了很长时间了,伙计。

嗯哼。

而且,你认为我搞砸了吗?你之前的问题是关于马刺队在进入2025年时的处境。反思。你会倒退。他们可能比我们赛季前预测的任何人都要好,对吧?就像,我们最终都在关注的最终胜场总数是多少?34,都在30多场,是的。

所以,正好五成胜率,他们有望赢得40、41场比赛?是这样算的吗?

是的。所以,他们比我们所有人认为的进度略微提前。去年3月25日,他们取得了第16场胜利。

我一直很喜欢这些数据,因为他们在去年年初有18连败。所以它把所有这些胜场数字都推迟了。这很有趣。但是,是的,他们提前完成了计划。他们就在附加赛的竞争行列中。如果他们击败了明尼苏达森林狼队,那场比赛他们以两分之差输掉了,他们就独自排在第八位,或者可能与金州勇士队并列。而金州勇士队正处于附加赛的激烈竞争中。所以他们……我不认为我们真的认为他们今年会成为附加赛的竞争者,但他们显然是。如果他们在……我们之前说过,如果他们在东部,他们在这个争夺额外比赛的球队组合中会更加稳固。所以到目前为止提前完成了计划,我们看看当日历翻到2025年时是否会保持下去。

如果我们想深入研究自我们上次播客以来的这六场比赛的细节,那么这些失利至少在大部分时间里都是有竞争力的。

在那次客场之旅中,是的,那次客场之旅他们的战绩是1胜3负,但这……只差一两个回合就能变成2胜2负或3胜1负,或者甚至横扫。他们的三场失利加起来只输了10分。

而且这不像去年、前年的那种失利,那时一切最终都会不可避免地崩溃。看起来,尤其是对阵森林狼队的比赛,是那种我们今年从马刺队身上看到的一些比赛之一,看起来他们一开始就要被轻松地赶出球馆,而且很容易就会发生这种情况。但这支球队就是坚持着。我想听听大家对造成这种情况的原因的看法。对我来说,就像,首先,NBA就是这样。过去几年一直是这样。10分的领先优势可以变成势均力敌的比赛;20分的领先优势也可以变成势均力敌的比赛。这种情况一直发生;这就是NBA的运作方式。而且,我认为克里斯·保罗(Chris Paul)因素,就是有这位老练的控球后卫来保持球队的专注,让马刺队留在这些比赛中,我认为这起到了巨大的作用。我还认为,就像,马刺队看起来教练得很好。这是一个大胆的观点吗?他们做出……他们倾向于在比赛中、中场休息时做出好的调整。就像,他们……他们开始让文班处于他的位置;他们经常在进攻端得到他们想要的东西。我是不是对此评价过高了?

我认为在明尼苏达州本可以有一个更好的结局。但你的观点是正确的。是的,他们教练得很好,但杰里米(Jeremy)最后时刻的投篮令人失望。

我的意思是,那也不是一个布置的战术。那是一个……我认为杰夫在三个要点中提到了,这始终是我一天的亮点,就像,明尼苏达州的防守非常好。

是的。

我不认为……那不是一个你为杰里米·索汉(Jeremy Sochan)布置的战术。你可能不希望他投那个球,但他……他可能本可以传出他想要传给哈里森·巴恩斯(Harrison Barnes)的那个球,在底角,那将会是一个很棒的……那将会是一个很棒的投篮。如果他……如果杰里米把球传给底角的哈里森,你一周的每一天都会接受这个结果。因为哈里森,杰夫,如果我错了请纠正我,如果他接到那个球,可能会有一个不错的空位。

他可能已经完全空位了,而且他完全空位并且正在打一场很棒的比赛。防守者有点……丹特(Donte)所做的是一个假动作。是的,这是一个非常好的防守动作。这就是去年和今年在那种情况下的区别。你知道,你需要最后一次……你得到最后一次投篮来赢下或扳平比赛。去年,他们甚至一半时间都无法把球发进界内。

对。没错。这就是我所说的。今年,他们至少得到了一次出手的机会。它是,你知道。最后时刻有三个人都围着文班亚马。就像,你无法把球传给文班亚马;你让索汉处于他可以在那里做出决定的情况下。他可能做出了错误的……他显然做出了错误的决定。我不想让这成为一个批评杰里米·索汉的播客,因为他仍然是本赛季这支球队的一个亮点。这可能不是……可能不是马刺队想要的投篮。但我多少能理解它是如何发生的。我有一件事,比如……丹特·迪文琴佐(Dante DiVincenzo)在那里用假动作骗他投篮,而森林狼队可能希望他投篮。他出手了;没有接近;看起来很糟糕。但那场比赛整体来说对马刺队来说并不是一件尴尬的事,而且他们再次对阵一支非常优秀的球队时做了很多好事。

是的,是的。

我没有对最后一个回合的所有排列进行分析,但就像,如果你让朱利安·尚帕尼(Julian Champagnie)代替索汉上场呢?这会改变什么吗?让你让索汉上场而不是他可能有一些原因。我的意思是,你……你落后两分;你从技术上讲不需要一个三分球。

没错。

所以,我不知道。回到你的观点,是的,他们……他们正被米奇·约翰逊(Mitch Johnson)出色地执教,而米奇·约翰逊在赛季开始时并没有想过他必须不断地执教任何人。我认为克里斯·保罗带来了很大的不同。我读到……我时不时地会出于某种原因点击这些东西,我不知道为什么。但我今天读到一些东西抱怨克里斯·保罗的投篮在12月是如何下滑的,你知道,在明尼苏达州,他甚至没有一个运动战进球。我想,是的,那本来会很好,但这没关系。他有14次助攻。他们今年从克里斯·保罗那里得到了比我想象中更多的关键球。

是的,他们得到了……他的投篮在一段时间内以一种不切实际的方式支撑着他们,当时他似乎每场比赛都能投进关键球。那可能不是他们签下他的原因。那有点像是意外收获。他们还从克里斯·保罗那里为其他人创造了更多关键球。只是让一个曾经经历过这些的人在场……我的意思是,那就是马刺队今年第四节和不在第四节的区别。他们在主场时在这些情况下表现得更好,这并不出人意料……这是意料之中的。在客场,他们在那些关键比赛中表现得更糟糕一些,但这对一支球队来说是一种进步。就像去年他们在哪里都赢不了任何人。今年,他们至少在主场拿下了那些势均力敌的比赛。现在是时候学习如何在客场拿下一些势均力敌的比赛了。这是一个循序渐进的过程。

是的,我认为所有这些都是……我认为所有这些都是合理的。你可以看看最近的这次客场之旅,然后说他们可能不应该让那场对阵费城的比赛失控,尤其是在恩比德上半场被驱逐出场之后。那是一个错失的机会。对阵森林狼队的比赛,可能是比赛后期的错失机会。那场比赛是可以赢的。他们确实有机会。文班亚马在某个时刻罚丢了一个罚球。就像,他在最后时刻的表现简直令人难以置信。再次,我们是在吹毛求疵。但那个罚丢的罚球有点改变了那里的结局。有一些错失的机会。但他们在纽约表现出色;他们也赢下了那场比赛。

但与前几年相比,第四节的表现要好得多。这不是什么新闻;我们整个赛季都在谈论它。这就是预期的,这种成长。我认为即使在1胜3负的客场之旅中,你仍然会看到一些进步,我认为。胜任也许是一个更好的词。但现在是新年前夜,这意味着明天是元旦,是一月。你知道这意味着什么,对吧?

是时候谈谈年度最佳新秀的竞争了。

哦,我的天哪。

请说。我们认为斯蒂芬·卡斯尔在这段时间之后在年度最佳新秀的竞争中处于什么位置?你知道,他一开始表现得非常好。他不得不……他不得不首发出场很多比赛,因为马刺队的伤病情况。他一度是一个热门人选。现在自从他们恢复健康后,他已经回到了替补席。他没有那么多机会去克服那些新秀的挣扎。有点想知道我们……我们……我们对此有什么看法。

我在《快报新闻》上读到,在expressnews.com上,在汤姆·奥斯伯恩的Blue Sky动态上,现在所有的篮球迷都在Blue Sky上。我强烈推荐它;我们都在Blue Sky上。那里……可能有人在谈论斯蒂芬·卡斯尔撞上了新秀墙,汤姆。你对此怎么看?

马刺队不想听到这个。

好吧。

显然。我发现了这一点。他们显然不想听到这个。

但他们都没有在听这个播客,眨眼,眨眼。对不起,各位。正如杰夫指出的,以及我在报道中指出的,环境现在对他不利。但他仍然……他仍然领先于这个神话般的,好吧,它不是神话般的,但他仍然领先于竞争。我知道你不想谈论它,迈克,但他仍然……我认为他仍然是年度最佳新秀的领跑者,但我不确定。

好吧,好吧。

公平地说,现在没有很多强有力的竞争者,因为费城的那个人再次倒下了。所以这有点……有点像这个级别就是我们认为的那样,对吧?我的意思是,有很多好东西。斯蒂芬·卡斯尔很棒。但如果他赢得年度最佳新秀,这不像文班亚马战胜霍姆格伦(Holmgren)那样。

好吧,就像很多时候一样,它只会颁给在这种情况下的场均得分最高的新秀,现在是杰瑞德(Jared)。

现在,是的,现在是杰瑞德·麦凯恩(Jared McCain),我的意思是,如果他不……他可能不会被选中,如果他不回来……

他赛季报销了。

是的。所以,他不会被选中,只打了20场或23场比赛。所以,现在,在那些……你知道,仍然健康并且正在比赛的新秀中,将会是华盛顿奇才队的亚历山大·萨尔(Alexander Sarr),场均11.6分。你的黑马将会是两位孟菲斯灰熊队的球员,杰伦·威廉姆斯(Jalen Williams)和扎克·埃迪(Zach Edey),他们紧随其后。

尽管我讨厌整个讨论,在一月份谈论奖项。

你知道这就是我提起它的原因,对吧?

当然。但我们……我正在查看拉斯维加斯内幕,它有这个,还有体育博彩。我们把体育博彩也加到奖项的讨论中。就像,这快把我逼疯了,在年底。我不想参与其中。但汤姆问……汤姆……汤姆假设斯蒂芬·卡斯尔是热门人选,然后问我谁是热门人选。好吧,根据五个不同的博彩网站,扎克·埃迪遥遥领先,作为博彩热门人选。+120,+115,-115,+120,在FanDuel上,在那里你有伊夫·庞斯(Yves Pons)。来自新奥尔良鹈鹕队的伊夫·庞斯排在第二位,斯蒂芬·卡斯尔排在第三位。

我承认我错了。

但现在我有点……有点明显的第三。亚历山大·萨尔排在第四位,杰伦·威廉姆斯,我前几天提到的,杰夫,只是孟菲斯在第二轮找到有贡献的球员的另一个例子。就像,他整个赛季都在为他们首发。他不会成为明星;我不认为……我不认为他会赢得年度最佳新秀,但威廉姆斯和埃迪肯定会分掉选票。

你明白我的意思吗?闹鬼的孟菲斯年度最佳新秀选票。

我不知道。有时当你拥有两名球员时,人们不知道该选谁。

好吧。一些人选择一个;一些人选择另一个。

如果你对此感觉如此强烈,那就去这些糟糕的、可怕的、正在毁掉国家的体育博彩网站上下注斯蒂芬·卡斯尔。他们仍然将他列为4赔1、5赔1、6赔1,而扎克·埃迪是1赔1。我这样说的意思是,如果……如果我们想进行一次有趣的或……或富有成效的新秀对话,我仍然认为你看看所有这些人,然后说斯蒂芬·卡斯尔……我预测他最有可能拥有最富有成效的职业生涯。我认为……我认为如果你重新选择所有这些人,斯蒂芬·卡斯尔是大多数球队想要的人。我不认为他会赢得年度最佳新秀,只是因为汤姆在他expressnews.com上的报道中写的内容。我们在这里一直在说的是,他只是不会得到……这是环境。这是……你知道,他不会再首发了。扎克·埃迪是首发球员,只要他在灰熊队的阵容中保持健康。斯蒂芬·卡斯尔可能不会拿到数据。他可能正处于一个对他来说会有点困难的阶段。但我仍然认为马刺队应该对他们做出的选择感到非常非常高兴,因为那将会成为马刺队很长一段时间的重要组成部分。

我们对他的……

芬格说得对。他拥有最好的上升……他的确拥有最好的上升空间,当你考虑到这一点时。从来没有人看着扎克·埃迪,然后说这个人有很多上升空间。这就是为什么他在大学待了那么多年,因为没有人认为他可以拉开空间或打防守或换防,对吧?而且,你知道,他仍然会有这些问题。所以,你知道,他可能就是现在这样了。

世界上所有的上升空间。

我们怎么看卡斯尔的,也就是说,他最近的上场时间或缺乏上场时间?他在纽约对阵尼克斯队的第四节根本没有上场。在明尼苏达州的最后时刻有点缺席。看起来这几乎成了我们在赛季初大肆渲染的事情,当时他被保证至少上场20分钟,因为他可能会有看起来完全像个新秀的阶段。很多事情对他来说都出了问题,但他最好的品质之一是他坚持不懈,接下来你知道,他在最后时刻做出了贡献。他如今在最后时刻投进了关键球。你知道,他得到了他的七分钟上场时间。他犯了他的新秀错误,然后他没有机会去做我们都说他非常擅长的事情,那就是反弹并

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Wembanyama and road ahead for San Antonio

Columnist Mike Finger and Spurs beat reporters Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn discuss the Spurs’ recent East coast road trip, if Stephon Castle is a Rookie of the Year candidate, and how the Spurs will fare over the next week.

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Here is the transcript of the podcast:

From a highly secure network of top-secret locations across South Texas, this is the Spurs Insider, New Year’s edition. I’m your host, Mike Finger, with our usual panel of Express-News sportswriters, Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn, along with sports editor Nick Talbot. It’s been a couple of weeks; we took a week off. Hope everybody didn’t miss us too much; hope we didn’t miss each other too much. The local cagers went on an East Coast trip, made a quick jaunt to the Midwest, played six games since we last talked to you. I’m going to start with Tom Orsborn, who was on the trek, the three-game stretch in Philadelphia and New York. This turned out kind of how, exactly how we anticipated in our last podcast. I think all of us projected that the Spurs were going to go three and three in those six games, which is what they did. But Tom, what were your impressions of the details of your trip and the six games as a whole?

Well, a lot to unpack, Mike, from Philly, New York, and Brooklyn. A lot going on there. Yeah. You know, beginning in Philly with the officiating, the wild officiating in the first half. Victor Wembanyama accused of flopping. But the technical was rescinded. New York, he was spectacular.

That seems like ages ago, Tom. It seems like ancient history. How much has changed since then? The Joel Embiid ejection. Wow, that seems like that happened during Victor’s rookie year! We’re covering so much ground here.

Yeah, yeah, aren’t we? And in New York, he was spectacular. And then the 50-50 balls there at the end did them in; they couldn’t get them. Luck, bad luck, circumstances, whatever, but that did them in. And then Brooklyn, Wembanyama took that hard hit to the jaw, which he described as an uppercut. Completely accidental.

Which he did not just describe it as that. That’s what the broadcast showed. It was an uppercut.

Yeah, yeah, but it was completely accidental. Head, he’s looming, and the head comes up into him. And completely accidental. But yeah, a lot going on there.

And you’re burying the two leads, it seems like, Tom. First of all, he’s a Christmas hero. In a loss, granted, but almost an unprecedented Christmas debut for Victor Wembanyama. And then he plays chess in a park.

I said he was spectacular.

Okay. The chess, yeah, that was spectacular, too. A pretty, pretty neat moment. But the net result, Jeff, of all of this is the Spurs remain a .500 team heading where we’re recording this on New Year’s Eve. There’s a chance it’ll reach your ears and your digital players before the Spurs take on the Clippers on New Year’s Eve. But the Spurs head into that game as a .500 team, as they’ve been for most of this season. And, I guess it’s just because we’re entering this holiday, which prompts reflection among so many of us at the end of a year, the start of another one. Just where are the Spurs as they head into this next page on the calendar, Jeff?

I’ll get to that, but one question for you. You know how they say Victor, you know, he’s 7’3", 7’4", 7’5", he does stuff on the basketball court that nobody else has ever done before, no one’s ever seen before. Sometimes they say, you know, on the basketball court, he changes the chessboard. Do you think it’s the same like on the actual chessboard because he’s 7’5", he can make moves that nobody’s ever seen before?

Maybe. Like, I think he just the actual physical nature of the moves, he’s coming at it from a different angle. I’m not sure he changes the game. He can sit further away from the chessboard, probably, and still make those moves because he’s so long. Maybe an enterprising beat writer should look into that. Should track down all those people that he played chess against and uh, and do an oral history of people who played Victor in chess.

The next time we’re given more than a 30-second heads-up when Victor’s going to be playing chess in the park, we’ll be there. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. We’ll be there. Now, back to your question. We can’t have reporters complaining that they weren’t invited to an organic, just true interaction with the public. Come on, man. You want to turn this into a media circus.

I mean, I’ve been doing this a long time, man.

Uh-huh.

And, you think I lost it? Your question earlier about where the Spurs stand going into 2025. Reflection. You’d go backwards. They’re probably better off than anyone that we predicted before the season, right? Like, what were the final win totals we were all kind of honing in on? 34, all in the mid-thirties, yeah.

So, at exactly .500, they’re on pace to win 40, 41 games? Is that how the math works?

Yeah. So, they’re a little ahead of the pace that we all thought they would be at. They recorded win number 16 on March 25th last year.

I always enjoy those stats because they had like an 18-game losing streak in the middle at the beginning of last year. So it pushes all those win numbers back. That’s kind of fun. But yeah, they’re ahead of schedule. They are right there in the play-in mix. If they had beaten Minnesota, which they lost by two points in that trip, they’re in eighth place by themselves or maybe tied with Golden State. Which is in the thick of the play-in race. So they’re I don’t think we really thought they were going to be a play-in contender this year, but they clearly are. And if they were in the we said this before, if they were in the East, they’d be even more solidified in that mix of teams fighting for extra games. So ahead of schedule so far, and we’ll see if it keeps up when the calendar flips to 2025.

If we want to get into the minutia of these six games that happened since our last podcast, the losses all were at least competitive for most of the time.

On that road trip, yeah, that road trip they were 1 and 3, but it was there was a play or two away from being 2 and 2 or 3 and 1 or maybe even sweeping the thing. Their three losses were by a combined 10 points.

And it wasn’t the way that those type of losses happened last year, the year before, where it was like inevitable that everything was going to fall apart in the end. It seemed like, like the Minnesota game in particular, was one of those we’ve seen a few out of the Spurs this year where it looks like they’re about to get run out of the building early on and easily could have been. And this team just hangs around. And I wanted to get everybody’s opinion on kind of what goes into that. To me, it’s like, first of all, the NBA is that way. It’s been that way the last few years. The 10-point leads can become close games; 20-point games can become close games. It happens all the time; that’s just the way the NBA works. But also, I think the Chris Paul factor, just having that competent veteran point guard to keep teams focused, keep the Spurs in these games, I think that’s played a huge role. I also think, like, the Spurs seem pretty well-coached. Is that a hot take? They make they tend to make good in-game, halftime adjustments. Like, they they they’re starting to get Victor in his spots; they’re getting what they want out of their offense a lot of times. Am I making too much of that?

Could have could have been a better ending in Minnesota, I think. But your point is correct. Yes, they’re well-coached, but that shot by Jeremy there at the end was disappointing.

I mean, that’s not a called play, either. That’s a that’s a play that um I think Jeff mentioned in the in the three takeaways, which are always a highlight of my day, that, like, Minnesota’s really good on defense.

Yes.

I don’t think like that’s not a play where you called that for Jeremy Sochan. You don’t probably wouldn’t want him taking that shot, but he he probably could have made that pass that he wanted to to make it look like to Harrison Barnes in the corner, and that would have been a great that would have been a great shot. If he if if Jeremy makes that pass to Harrison in the corner, you live with that every day of the week. Because Harrison, Jeff, correct me if I’m wrong, probably would have had a decent look there if he gets that ball.

He might have been wide open, and he was wide open and was having a great game. The defender sort of decked. What Donte did was a deke. Yeah, it was a pretty good defensive play. Here’s the difference in that situation between last year and this year. You know, you need one last you get one last shot to win or tie a game. Last year, they couldn’t even get the ball in bounds half the time.

Right. Exactly. That’s what I’m saying. This year, they at least got a look. It was, you know. And there’s three people all over Wembanyama at the end. Like, you can’t get the ball to Wembanyama there; you get Sochan in a situation where he can make a decision there. He probably made the wrong he obviously made the wrong one. I don’t want this to be a pile-on Jeremy Sochan podcast because he continues to be one of the bright spots of this team this season. It’s just probably not the probably not the shot the Spurs wanted there. But I can sort of see how it happened. I have the thing like uh Dante DiVincenzo kind of dekes him there into getting him to take a shot that the Timberwolves probably wanted him to take. He takes it; it’s not close; it looks bad. But that game overall is not an embarrassment per for the Spurs and in the way that they they did a lot of good stuff again against a pretty good team.

Yeah, yeah.

I haven’t done all the permutations of that last play, but like what if you have Julian Champagnie in there instead of Sochan? Would that change anything? There there are probably reasons you have Sochan in there instead. I mean, you were you were down by two; you didn’t technically need a three.

Exactly.

So, um I don’t know. To go back to your point, yes, they’re they’re being competently coached by by Mitch Johnson, who did not enter the season thinking he’d have to constantly coach anybody. I think Chris Paul makes a big difference. I read I don’t every so often, I click on these things for some reason, and I don’t know why. But I read something today complaining about how Chris Paul’s shooting has fallen off in December, and you know, in Minnesota, he didn’t even have a field goal. And I’m like, yeah, that would have been nice, but it doesn’t matter. He had 14 assists. They’ve gotten way more big shots out of Chris Paul this year than I ever thought they would have.

Yes, and they’ve got His shooting was sort of carrying them in an unrealistic way there for a stretch when it seemed like he was making a big shot every game. That’s probably not why they signed him. That was sort of gravy. They’ve also gotten more big shots from other people out of Chris Paul. Just having a guy on the floor that has been there and done that before is I mean, that’s that’s the difference to me in the in the Spurs in the fourth quarters this year and not in the fourth quarters. They are better in those situations at home, which is not to be unexpec which is to be expected. On the road, they’ve been they’ve been a little rougher in those crunch-time games, but that’s kind of a next step for a team. It’s like last year they couldn’t beat anybody anywhere. This year, they’re at least taking care of those close games at home. Now it’s time to learn how to take care of some of those close games on the road. It’s kind of a step-by-step process.

Yeah, I think all that is I think all that’s fair. You can look at this most recent road trip and say they probably shouldn’t have let that Philadelphia game get out of get away, especially after Embiid gets ejected in the first half. That was a missed opportunity. The Minnesota game, probably a missed opportunity late in that. It was winnable. They did have a chance. Victor missed a free throw at one point. Like, he he was just unbelievable down the stretch. Again, we’re nitpicking. But that missed free throw kind of changes the ending there. There’s missed opportunities. But they were bouncing there in New York; they won that one, too.

But there’s just so much more competent fourth-quarter-wise than in previous years. And this is not breaking news; we talked about it all season long. This is what was expected, this growth. I think even in a on a trip where they go 1 and 3, you continue to see some little bits of progress, I think. Some competence might be a better word there. But it’s New Year’s Eve, which means tomorrow is New Year’s Day, it’s January. You know what that means, right?

It’s time to talk about the Rookie of the Year race.

Oh, my goodness.

Go ahead. Where do we think Stephon Castle stands in the Rookie of the Year race after this stretch? You know, he started off so great. He had to he had to start a lot of games because of the Spurs’ just injury situation. And he was kind of a hot commodity there for a while. Now he’s been moved back to the bench since they’ve gotten healthy. Doesn’t have as many opportunities to kind of play through some of those rookie struggles. And kind of wondering what we what we what we think about all that.

I read in the Express-News, on expressnews.com, on Tom Orsborn’s Blue Sky feed, where everybody all the basketball fans are on Blue Sky now. I highly recommend it; we’re all on Blue Sky. That the there might be talk of Stephon Castle hitting the rookie wall, Tom. What do you think about that?

Well, the Spurs don’t want to hear that.

Okay.

Clearly. I found that out. They clearly don’t want to hear that.

But none of them are listening to this podcast, wink, wink. Sorry, everybody. Circumstances, as Jeff pointed out and as I pointed out in the story, are working against him right now. But he’s still he’s still leading the the mythical, well, it’s not mythical, but he’s leading the race. I know you don’t want to talk about it, Mike, but he’s still I think he’s still the front-runner for Rookie of the Year, but I’m not sure about that.

Okay, okay.

To be fair, there aren’t a lot of strong contenders now that Philadelphia’s guy went down again. So it’s been kind of kind of what the class is what we thought it was, right? I mean, there’s a lot of good things. Stephon Castle’s great. But if he wins Rookie of the Year, it’s not like Wembanyama winning it over Holmgren.

Okay, like a lot of these times, it just goes to the rookie that averages the most points in situations like this, which right now is Jared.

Which right now, yeah, which right now is Jared McCain, who I mean, if he doesn’t he might not be the pick if he doesn’t come back in

He’s out for the year.

Yeah. So, he wouldn’t be the pick playing 20 games or 23 games. So, right now, among the rookies that are um, you know, still healthy and playing, it would be Washington’s Alexander Sarr at 11.6 points per game. Your dark horses would be the two Memphis guys, Jalen Williams and Zach Edey, who are right behind them.

As much as I hate this whole discussion, the the talking about awards at all, talking about awards in January.

You know that’s why I brought it up, right?

Of course. But we’re I’m checking the Vegas Insider, which has this and sports gambling, too. We’re adding sports gambling onto awards talk. Like, this is driving me crazy here at the end of the year. I don’t want any part of this. But Tom asked Tom Tom assumed that Stephon Castle’s the favorite and asked me who is the favorite. Well, according to five different betting sites, Zach Edey is way ahead as in the as a betting favorite. Plus 120, plus 115, minus 115, plus 120 on FanDuel, where you have Yves Pons. Yves Pons from New Orleans in second place, Stephon Castle in third.

I stand corrected.

But now I kind of sort of distinct third. Alexander Sarr in fourth place, Jalen Williams, who I mentioned, Jeff, the other day, just another example of Memphis finding like productive guys in the second round. Like, he’s been starting for them all year. He’s not going to be a star; I don’t think I don’t think he’s going to win Rookie of the Year, but Williams and Edey could definitely split that vote.

You know what I mean? The Memphis the haunted Memphis Rookie of the Year vote.

Well, I don’t know. Sometimes when you have two guys, people don’t know who to pick.

Okay. Some go one way; some go the other.

You feel so strongly about it and get on one of these like terrible, awful, ruining the country sports betting sites and clean up on your Stephon Castle. They’re still listing him at 4 to 1, 5 to 1, 6 to 1 to win, where Zach Edey is even money. And I kind of say this, if if we want to have an interesting or or a productive rookie conversation, I still think you look at all these guys and say that Stephon Castle I I project as as the guy who’s most likely to have the most productive career. I think I think if you redraft all these guys, Stephon Castle is the guy that most teams want. I don’t think he’s going to win Rookie of the Year just because of what Tom kind wrote about in his story on expressnews.com. What we’ve been saying here is he’s just not going to get the it’s circumstances. It’s um, you know, he’s not going to start anymore. Zach Edey is a starter as long as he’s healthy in the Grizzlies’ lineup. Stephon Castle’s probably not going to put the stats. He’s probably hitting a spot here where things are going to get a little difficult for him. But I still think the Spurs should be really, really happy with the pick they made because that’s going to be a big part of the Spurs for a long time.

What do we think about his

Finger right there. He has the best up He does have the best upside when you look at it. No one has ever looked at Zach Edey and said this guy has a lot of upside. That’s why he was in college for all those years because no one thought he could stretch or play defense or switch, right? And, you know, he’s still going to have those issues. So, you know, he may be what he is.

All the upside in the world.

What do we think of Castle’s, well, that said, his minutes or lack thereof lately? He didn’t play at all in the fourth quarter in New York. Was kind of absent down the stretch in Minnesota. It seems like it was almost the thing we made a big deal about early in the year when he was guaranteed 20-plus minutes is he can have these stretches where he looks like a total rookie. A bunch of stuff goes wrong for him, but one of his best qualities is he sticks to it, and next thing you know, he’s making plays down the stretch. He’s making big shots down the stretch nowadays. You know, he’s getting his seven minutes. He’s making his rookie mistakes, and then he’s not getting a chance to do what we all said he was so great at and bounce back and make those big plays down the stretch.

Well, could could it be as simple as there’s options now? The Spurs are playing at full strength; they have 15 healthy guys most nights.

They went with Tre Jones in New York against the Knicks in the fourth. He had a high nine assists, and Mitch just felt more confident with understandably a point guard out there. Yeah. So a lot of times when healthy bodies

When when Stephon Castle was out there in end games, it was because the Spurs coaches, going back to Gregg Popovich into the Mitch Johnson era, they all had a great deal of confidence in him and and still do. It was a case of like that not everybody else was healthy. Like the rotation wasn’t as deep as it is now. It was him or Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham. Now you can put in a Tre Jones who’s healthy again. Just Jeremy Sochan being back again, that has that ripple-down effect through the rest of the lineup where you have more available minutes from Devin Vassell, from Keldon Johnson, all that. I think there’s just um, you’re in these close games, and you want somebody who is playing well with confidence, who has a track record there. And maybe Stephon Castle, any any rookie gets squeezed out a little bit. I think that he’s going to get more opportunities the rest of the season. Again, I still think the Spurs have that pick to make over again; they’d take him a hundred times out of a hundred. By the way, Jeff might have mentioned this to me, this past week somebody mentioned to me how how happy are they that Houston made the pick they made in front of them at number three? Anybody have any thoughts on that? Like, I remember remember when I got all kinds of grief for questioning Reed Sheppard on this podcast last summer?

Yeah.

I mean, I

And he still might be fine; he’s still he’s still a good shooter, like the Spurs are still there. Back in the summer, after the draft, and I heard this from one person. So it’s it’s just one person’s opinion or thoughts. But that person said if they had been able to choose between Reed Sheppard and Stephon Castle, they might have taken Reed Sheppard. So Houston taking that might have just take might have saved them from themselves. And just take the um take the you know, the guy, you know, took the choice off the table. That said, you know who was on top of all this was our and we this will be something we should have mentioned on this podcast anyway, our our our friend Jonathan Feigen, who has retired now.

Oh, good. Shout-out to Jonathan. Shout-out to Jonathan. Best of the greatest of all one of the greatest of all of all time. Good guy.

He’s one of the GOATS.

Houston Chronicle beat writer covered the covered the Rockets since I don’t know, since 98, ago, I think. But um, you know, I was there for the preseason, and Reed Sheppard was kind of the trendy Rookie of the Year pick in the preseason.

And he was like, no, Reed Sheppard’s not going to play nearly enough to win Rookie of the Year. Like he’s not they they have so many guards on this roster already ahead of him; he’s not going to play nearly enough. And he was really the only guy saying that. And, you know, it’s turned out to be kind of correct. Not kind of correct; definitely correct. So, you know, it hasn’t just been a that’s true, and again congrats to Jonathan. Great career. Just the consummate professional beat guy.

One of the few Jeff does this exercise every year where he goes through the the whole league in terms of the big guys. And Jonathan was one of the few who had you beat in terms of covering the same team for the same outlet longer than you did. Or longer than you have. But congrats to him. I think we’re down to one. I think I’m I think I’m number. Not that I’m bragging about it.

It’s just Ira.

Ira Winderman of the South South Sun-Sentinel down in Florida, covering the Heat.

Yeah. You’re almost there; you’re almost the dean.

Um, that’s probably true. I should point out that that’s not just a matter of of opportunity for young Mr. Sheppard. Like, he has done great in the in the minutes that he’s gotten. And he and he plays in most games, just not a lot of minutes because he hasn’t forced the issue. He’s not making the shots; he’s not doing what I think people expected him to do. He still could be a productive pick. And he could, you know, it could be a situation where if he got to play more, he’d play better. But the Spurs are pretty happy with who they have, I think.

I think that’s definitely fair to say. I mean, not fair to say they’re fully happy with them. Yeah. And I think you’re right; they might have they’ve there’s a good chance they’ve ended up with the best player in this class. I mean, it’s hard to say after one year. But we we have seen what Stephon Castle can do as a rookie, all the different ways he can contribute, not just scoring at all. And you have to believe I mean, you don’t have to believe, but generally, you know, his shooting’s going to get better. I don’t I’m not an expert, but I don’t see anything in his mechanics that is just terrible. It’s not like where you saw Sochan shoot as a rookie, and I’m like, “Yikes! I don’t know if that’s even fixable.” Everything every shot Stephon takes, like McCain, to me, looks confident, and it looks like it’s going in, and it just doesn’t.

Yeah. I think maybe if he maybe if he could just get that little mid-range down, that would help. I don’t really like the thing where he just does the Keldon Johnson barrel into like the slow-step thing was working for him for a while. But now he’s doing it in traffic and just kind of barreling. I mean, it’s rookie stuff, just learning what you can get away with and can’t get away with. And learning how teams adjust to you. It’s it’s all that stuff, and he’ll he but we’ve seen what he can do defensively. I’ve always been impressed with his like floor presence and his court vision. Like, that was one of the first things I noticed was him making passes I didn’t they’re not these spectacular passes where he’s just threading the needle to guys. But it’s like I wouldn’t even have thought to make that pass to the skip guy. And he that’s that’s where Steph goes with it, and it’s the like the right pass. So all that stuff is just really encouraging. His numbers don’t matter that much when you’re when you’re judging his rookie year. I mean, it probably will for Rookie of the Year voters, but to the Spurs, it’s not about the numbers; it’s about watching him on the floor, how he progresses, what he’s learning, how quickly he’s learning, and how quickly he’s, you know, adjusting to the NBA. So all all all signs are good for him so far, even though he’s a little bit of a lull right now.

I think part of why struggles can be sort of expected is he it’s not that he’s reckless. And sometimes he is. But I was I was reading something and it’s been months and months, and I don’t remember who it was. It was a smart basketball person sort of talking about why Tre Jones has limitations as a point guard, even though his assist-to-turnover ratio has always been like super good, right? Like he he hardly ever turns the ball over. Has has good assist numbers. But you almost want from a Chris Paul type point guard, from a Stephon Castle, you want some turnover risk because if you’re not taking the risk, if you’re not making difficult passes, like that limits your ceiling. And I think that whereas Tre Jones has that sort of high-floor, low-ceiling deal where he’s just making the smart, obvious play over and over again, which is valuable as a backup point guard, like Stephon, as Jeff was pointing out, makes that makes that pass that a lot of people don’t see, and that’s going to make that’s going to lead to him looking foolish sometimes or look it’s going to make you like slap your head, like, what the hell was he doing there? But I think that’s because he’s going for that high-ceiling type of play sometimes. And when you have a player like that, I think part of working through their stuff early in their career is just figuring out how much they can push it. And sometimes he just runs into traffic, and it looks terrible. But I think that’s because he’s like he’s developing that elite star-quality playmaking repertoire. That’s going to pay off down the line.

There’s a fine line between what an amazing pass and like what was he even thinking?

Yeah.

There was a was it the Minnesota game where Chris Paul led Jeremy Sochan on a pick-and-roll pass. That was like close to being like, oh, what a terrible pass, and it was just perfect. Jeremy made a great catch.

I know what you mean. Was that in Minnesota?

I think that was in Minnesota. There was the moment in Brooklyn where Chris made a pass to where Jeremy should have been on the roll. And the ball basically rolled out of bounds into the third row. We’ll see. Put those two together. And Chris Chris got on Jeremy’s behind. Sean Elliott pointed this out on the broadcast. Chris Chris was just on his butt. And basically Sean’s point was if Chris Paul throws a ball somewhere, and it goes out of bounds, it’s because you weren’t where you were supposed to be. Like he’s throwing the ball where you’re supposed to be. And there was there was a play maybe five minutes later, same thing, and Jeremy was right there for the catch and the dunk. So they might have both been in Brooklyn, but those two together kind of illustrate the point I’m trying to make is sometimes you make passes that have a a danger, a chance of looking terrible because there’s that upside of this is this just becomes an unguarded assist.

But it’s funny. It’s funny when you’re Chris Paul, and you do that; it’s like, oh, the other guy screwed up.

Right.

But if you’re Stephon Castle and you do that sometimes, it’s like everyone thinks you screwed up.

This is my point. And Tre Jones doesn’t do that. And there’s a place for that Tre Jones player, just the reliable high-percentage pass, high-percentage play over and over again type of guy. Like that’s that’s a great guy to have on your bench. It’s probably not the guy that maximizes the effectiveness of your offense if you’re never kind of pushing it. So it’s good to have a like they have three guys who I think fit pretty well together this season and and giving you a wide variety of looks at the point guard position. I think that’s pretty cool.

The best example of the high-risk, high-reward actually maybe in the other league these days is Kaylen Clark, if you want an example of high-risk, high-reward.

Yeah, exactly. And it’s kind of who she’s playing with. Like if she doesn’t have the right teammates, it doesn’t it doesn’t it doesn’t look as great. But no, that’s that’s good. Looking forward, we’ll we’ll close like we often do. And your Spurs will include the Clippers game on New Year’s Eve. In this projection, even though some of you might not hear this podcast until after that game is over with, but you got the Clippers at home on New Year’s Eve. You got two games against the Denver Nuggets, one on the road, one at home on back-to-back nights. Then at Chicago next Monday, where it will be frigid, Jeff. I don’t know if you’ve taken a look at the at the forecast, but I think the high temperatures will already be around 19, 20 degrees.

Fahrenheit.

So, so bulk up your layers in your in your in your bag for that trip. That’s four games, two at home, two on the road. None of them slam-dunk easy victories, I don’t think. None of them unwinnable, although winning at the Nuggets might be tough. I’m going to go continue the theme and go 2 and 2 again.

Yeah, 2 and 2. Yep. That’s what they are right now. That’s what that’s that’s what the record says they are.

I’m going to go a little more pessimistic than that and say 1 and 3.

Okay.

And it’s sort of like buckle up, everybody, because it’s going to get a little rough. And one reason I’d be concerned is the just the the road games are piling up. Like the Spurs went into that last four-game trip; they had completed fewer road games than anyone in the league, which means they’re all coming now. And those road trips on a team like that can just wear you out. And even when you have some home games sprinkled in, like they had a four-game trip, came home yesterday, now they play the Clippers tonight. That that game almost feels like a road game. I mean, yes, you have the home crowd behind you, but you’re not at home in your bed very long. You’re not really acclimated to home; you’re not settled in. You’re basically making one stop, and then you’re back back on the road to Denver. Same thing, you come home the next night from Denver and play your other home game in that stretch, you know, the next night, where you’re not really home; you’re just flying in and flying out. And then you’re going back on the road, and I know we’re not predicting that, but after the Chicago and Milwaukee games, they they go to LA for two games against the Lakers. So it’s a bunch of road games where they’re they’re only home for a night. And I just think that wears on teams after a while. Maybe I don’t know, maybe a younger team can handle it better, just fresher legs. But then I wonder if there’s a mental component to it that a more veteran team might be able to kind of power through more. And maybe that’ll be something worth watching during that stretch.

That’s why I think to get to that 2 and 2 this week, the the one that they have to win is that at Chicago against a not-great team. But that that’s one, like you said, that could slip away, and that takes you to 1 and 3 or 0 and 4. But I I think that’s the one that you of these next four that you can’t keep losing.

They did beat Denver last year when they when the Spurs were a 22-win team. You got them two nights in a row. Like maybe you can pull one of those off.

Yeah.

I wouldn’t be surprised that they’re winning any one of well, I would be surprised if they went at Denver. I think you win you beat either the Clippers at home or the Nuggets at home, and then you got to steal that one against the Bulls. How about you send your like basically your G League skeleton crew out to Denver and just take that L, let everybody else stay home, and then play them?

That that that’d be a very Spursian thing to do.

They did that late last year and almost won