🎧 Spurs Insider️ 播客: 文班亚马的异想世界

Spurs Insider Podcast, 2024-12-04 06:33:00

由生成式人工智能翻译,译文内容可能不准确或不完整,以原文为准。

专栏作家迈克·芬格(Mike Finger)以及马刺随队记者杰夫·麦克唐纳(Jeff McDonald)和汤姆·奥斯本(Tom Orsborn)讨论了维克托·文班亚马(Victor Wembanyama)近期统治级的表现,他如何能够进一步挖掘自身潜力,以及为什么联盟中没有像他一样的球员,甚至布拉德·塞勒斯(Brad Sellers)也无法与之相比。

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以下是播客的文字记录:

这里是来自北美高度安全的绝密网络的“马刺内幕”。我们已经来到了12月。我是迈克·芬格,与我们一如既往的《快报新闻》马刺随队记者杰夫·麦克唐纳和汤姆·奥斯本,以及体育编辑尼克·塔尔博特(Nick Talbot)一起。杰夫·麦克唐纳在他位于阳光谷彩绘沙漠的安全地点。我们其他人则离家更近。但我们的共同点是,我们都支持一支可能很出色、并且持续可能很出色的球队:本地笼中人。在本期录制开始时,他们的胜率仍然超过50%。杰夫,你对关于你是否报道了一支优秀球队的问题有什么最新消息吗?

我的意思是,他们是西部第十名的圣安东尼奥马刺。所以,让我们继续,让我们继续“叫好”吧。

他们是第十名。总是要把事情放到正确的角度来看。但这是在最好的分区里的第十名。

是的。如果他们在东部,我们现在肯定会“叫好”。

是的。如果他们在东部,他们将为季后赛主场优势而战。

只是一个例行公事。和往常一样,“马刺内幕”会在周三早上出现在你的数字播放器中。当你周三早上醒来的时候,有些人可能在周二晚上圣安东尼奥和菲尼克斯太阳队在菲尼克斯进行的NBA杯大战之前就已经收听了。但这周我们不会过多地讨论NBA杯,因为在你们大多数人在周三收听的时候,马刺可能已经进入或没有进入NBA杯季后赛了。所以让我们回顾一下过去的一周。我想汤姆和我继续保持着每周正确预测球队战绩的记录。

吹牛。你的马刺队三场比赛赢了两场。愤世嫉俗、悲观主义、阴云密布的随队记者杰夫·麦克唐纳预测了一胜两负。但是汤姆,你又猜对了。马刺不仅搞定了犹他爵士队,而且他们还客场前往萨克拉门托,完成了他们标志性的下半场逆转,战胜了他们的老朋友德玛尔·德罗赞(DeMar DeRozan)和国王队。汤姆,你对这周有什么看法?

是的。我的意思是,他们打得相当不错。他们打得非常好。你知道,但这都归功于文班。你知道,杰夫在他网上和今天的《快报新闻》上的报道中,我认为他很好地总结了如何描述这个家伙,你知道,他在对阵萨克拉门托的比赛中做了什么。简直不可思议。而且,迈克,我想他也指出了,当他在内线得分时,你知道,当他像一个七尺四寸的家伙打球时,除了投进那些三分球之外,他真的很棒。

杰夫,在下半场有一段时间,你在萨克拉门托近距离观看了比赛,我知道你喜欢那个地方,在那段时间里,我看到了我们一些人真正喜欢看到的文班亚马,他在球场的一端,没有人能接近篮筐。他就像个老爸一样。他送出了“老爸式”的盖帽。然后在另一端,他决定要攻击篮筐,成为一个无人能挡的七尺四寸的家伙。我认为他在那场比赛中投进的跳投的威胁,三分球的威胁,帮助了他。我不是那种顽固的人,认为高个子球员必须一直待在篮下。三分球是他比赛的重要组成部分,而且永远都会是。在那段时间里,他还投进了一个巨大的后仰跳投,就像一个无法防守的萨博尼斯(Domantas Sabonis)式后仰跳投。但是他就是能攻击篮筐,做出像乔治·格文(George Gervin)那样的挑篮和扣篮。对我来说,这是一个有趣的文班。我想知道你是否同意。

我同意,赛后与代理教练米奇·约翰逊(Mitch Johnson)和一些球员的交谈非常有启发性,也很有趣。因为我们仍然有这样的疑问,当我们看维克托·文班亚马打球时,我们在看什么?这应该是什么样子的?因为就像你提到的,有一部分人,包括我有时,会想,你七尺三寸,防守你的人六尺三寸。就像你说的,像个老爸一样,把球从他们头上放进去。像个高个子一样打球。就做个高个子。

但是,我有很多,有很多很好的说法,但真正让我印象深刻的是米奇谈到他正在学习如何,就像他可以在篮球场上做任何他想做的事情,他可以做到。他正在学习如何使用他所掌握的所有武器,这些武器比NBA篮球场上任何人都要多。所以有时你会选择错误的武器,有时你会把它搞砸。他正在经历这个过程。我想这句话是,当你有一份包含所有东西的菜单时,你偶尔会出错。你不会每次都做出正确的选择。所以我认为这是一个非常有趣的看待它的方式,事实上他如此有天赋,有时,是一个问题,因为他必须弄清楚在什么情况下该做什么。我认为在萨克拉门托的最后时刻,他做的每件事都奏效了。有一次,他在马利克·蒙克(Malik Monk)头上投进了一个球,马利克六尺三寸,维克托七尺三寸。他投进了其中一个球,我想那是扳平比分或反超比分的球,我想是扳平比分的球。然后后来他们需要一个球,情况相同。马利克·蒙克防守他。像个高个子一样投篮,但是不,他等待包夹开始,然后把球传到球场的另一边给德文·瓦塞尔(Devin Vassell),现在变成了一个三分球。我猜这是正确的选择。如果瓦塞尔投丢了那个球,你可能会回去事后诸葛亮,但他投进了,而且那是一个关键球。我想这让他们在最后两分钟领先了两次得分,我认为这让他们放松了比赛。所以

我想我们正在讨论的最后时刻,特别是对于迈克·布朗(Mike Brown)来说,这尤其令人抓狂,他可不是傻瓜,他可能看了维克托·文班亚马在本赛季初期的大部分比赛中的表现,然后说,嘿,我们可以让马利克·蒙克成为维克托·文班亚马的主要防守者,因为维克托·文班亚马在本赛季的大部分时间里并没有惩罚那些在低位防守他的矮个后卫。而在这场特殊的比赛中,他惩罚了马利克·蒙克和其他矮个子球员,我猜对维克托来说,每个人都是矮个子,但,其他防守他的侧翼后卫类型的球员,他惩罚了他们。即使在那段时间里,就像杰夫说的,那次进攻让我印象深刻,那次他连续几次惩罚了小个子球员,然后他又一次做到了,然后他决定将球横传给德文·瓦塞尔,瓦塞尔投进了。我想那是维克托的第十次助攻。我的一部分在想,我想知道他是否想要第十次助攻来获得他的三双。就像当你是维克托·文班亚马时,你可以有点,就像他承认的那样,他在比赛中会看记分牌,看他的数据,他知道发生了什么。也许他想要一次助攻。他可以这样戏弄球队。但那是一场有趣的维克托比赛。本赛季到目前为止,马刺的比赛并不全是维克托的功劳,但我们看到了,巅峰文班亚马开始,我们开始看到更接近巅峰文班亚马的东西了。

不过,克里斯·保罗(Chris Paul)似乎是他的绝佳补充。

是的。我想回到你提到的迈克·布朗。我想他不是这个播客的朋友,但我们喜欢他。他是马刺的海外球员。但无论你走到哪里,即使在过去的一年半,或者一年,无论维克托在这里多久,每个人都想问对方教练关于维克托的问题,你如何阻止他,他长得像谁,他是什么样子的,你知道,他有多棒?你,哦,你听过这么多人,这么多教练对他赞不绝口。所以在萨克拉门托的比赛前,他们问了迈克·布朗这个问题。他提到了布拉德·塞勒斯。

是的,我以前从未听过这种说法。这对我来说是个新鲜事。

他说,布拉德·塞勒斯,你只是没有听说过,与,嗯

有人真的问他,你知道,这家伙,你知道,他这么长这么高,你怎么对付他?

迈克·布朗说,你还记得布拉德·塞勒斯吗?

我差点从椅子上摔下来,因为这是我一生中听到的最有趣的事情。我想迈克最终想要表达的观点是,是的,这个家伙布拉德·塞勒斯出现在80年代,我们认为他很难对付。你知道,他将会很难对付。他七尺二寸,可以移动,等等。而,维克,维克,维克托,你知道,你看维克托,他只是比那更上一层楼。这有点像关于比赛发展了多远的一个观点。但我没有,你知道,我从未听过有人提起布拉德·塞勒斯

同时提起文班和布拉德·塞勒斯。这太荒谬了,布拉德·塞勒斯和他的,把他拉起来,他得了,多少?6.3?

6.3。打了6.3。是的。

场均6.3分。太疯狂了。这太疯狂了。

他并没有不恭维。他只是,这是一种,这是一种笨拙的表达方式。但这让我笑了。

我有一个亲戚把他的作业落在,《谋杀绿脚趾》的车里了。我告诉你,那孩子的名字叫拉里·塞勒斯(Larry Sellers),我想。

没错。这里有人知道我在说什么吗?

是的。我以为他,他的亲戚演了粉红豹。

哦,那也是真的。是的。有很多优秀的塞勒斯。

我有个问题。如果这不是巅峰文班亚马,那是什么?过去八场比赛,场均31.1分,三分球命中率43%,11个篮板,4.6次助攻和3.4次盖帽。如果这不是巅峰,那到底什么是?

这是,嗯

所以你可以随便看数据,但如果你看了比赛,他还没有,这不是巅峰维克托。但就像

这就是我的意思。这些数据,这些是MVP级别的数据。那么到底什么是巅峰?

就像,这就是文班亚马的故事,你看他打球,你看到他可以变得更好。哦,一旦他弄明白了,他就会掌握那个球员。他会做得更好。到最后,他拥有MVP级别的数据。这就是问题所在。这太疯狂了。

米奇·约翰逊不止一次说过,这就是,做好小事,掌握基本功。就像他显然可以做出精彩的表演,我们已经看到了。但这只是些小事,也许,也许不会改变他的最终数据。但这就像第四节一样。不仅仅是他投进的球,而是突然之间,他要去抢篮板了。你,你看到了我在萨克拉门托第四节的维克托·文班亚马身上看到的不同之处,就好像,我现在要去抢这个篮板了。这对我来说,在第四节的表现和他前三节的表现是有区别的。做出一个简单的动作,而不是一个精彩的动作,也许会失误。就像他在萨克拉门托早期有五次失误一样。这只是脚步的问题。这就是对阵马利克·蒙克的比赛,他实际上是利用身高和基本功的优势,在篮下得分,直接碾压对手。这就是巅峰文班亚马的样子。也许这不会改变他的最终数据,但我认为当他开始,掌握基本功,以及掌握只有他能做到的精彩表演时,这会改变其他每个人的比赛。一旦他做到了,我不知道,我不想太夸张,但一旦他做到了,就像,结束了。就结束了。

我很高兴你让我们在这个话题上停留了一会儿。这,这,这,杰夫,你站出来,审视自己,说我们需要更多地谈论维克托,真是太好了。我想听众们很享受这一点。这让我对我的队友们充满信心,知道他们可以接替我。

是的。我的意思是,我是一个播客天才,因为我想我们应该更多地谈论维克托·文班亚马。

嗯哼。

我的意思是,那,那,你知道,我知道不是每个人都相信,但是

我想再谈谈拉里·塞勒斯。

拉里怎么了?拉里,当我,我不会说完这句话的。

他学到了。是的,这是一个教训。他在那里被教导。

是的,但那不是在他的车里。

没错。

说的是拉里,当你,当你从背后捅陌生人一刀时会发生什么,诸如此类的话。

背后捅刀子。

我不知道。那有胜利,但是好吧。

是的。这仍然是一个家庭播客。我们仍然以迪士尼,受众为目标

就像,家人们围坐在他们的,电话旁,像晚餐一样,听着这个。

是的。

他们在看完《海洋奇缘2》之后就听这个。

好的。是的。我之前提到了克里斯·保罗,我想讨论一下他,因为他仍然是这支球队所需的一切的缩影。就像我,这也是一个非常明显的观点,继维克托·文班亚马很棒的观点之后。但是,那是一次相当不错的签约。每周,每场比赛都越来越明显。这在七月份发生的时候似乎很自然。当时看来很明显,当然,这就是这支球队需要的球员类型。而且,你知道,过去一周有几次,尽管我们一直在回顾那场对阵犹他的比赛,克里斯·保罗投进了一个关键三分,在萨克拉门托比赛的最后时刻做了克里斯·保罗式的事情。我想抛出这个问题,只是为了过度反应,在这个播客上发表一些非常热门的观点。我知道我有点被当下困住了。这家伙39岁了,可能会在接下来的一周或接下来的四个月里遭受严重的伤病。

哦,天哪。

我只是说,事情就是这样发生的。但是,就像,我是不是疯了,认为他们应该,就像,克里斯·保罗明年可以回来,在40岁的时候再次为马刺效力?

哦,天哪。

我,我,哇。我没有预料到这个问题。

这就是为什么这是一个热门观点。

现在讨论这个还为时过早,这是很荒谬的。我们不知道事情会如何发展。我们不知道接下来的四个月会如何发展。但克里斯·保罗看起来不像一个即将退役的人。特雷·琼斯也是一名自由球员,我们稍后再谈特雷·琼斯。特雷·琼斯是一名自由球员,克里斯·保罗也是一名自由球员。不只是,我不认为这将是一个休赛期,马刺或其他任何人都会有重大的自由球员签约,嗯。我不认为这将是一个活跃的自由球员夏天。如果他继续像现在这样贡献,就像,为什么要放弃呢?

我想我有两个想法。如果他继续像他一直以来的表现,并且你认为他可以继续这样打到下个赛季,并且他想继续留在这里,当然可以。就像,这行得通。到目前为止,这行得通。我想这个词是“一帆风顺”。

一帆风顺。

所以,这是一方面。我想我唯一可能,犹豫的是,难道你不想在某个时候把指挥棒交给斯蒂芬·卡斯尔吗?

是的。这是另一方面。但同时,就像,斯蒂芬·卡斯尔和克里斯·保罗在一起,这行得通。

是的。

但当每个人都健康的时候,我甚至不知道他们是否会一起首发。这只是需要注意的事情,而不是

也许还有另一个问题。这,这是一个荒谬的话题。他们,他们有太多优秀的球员。西部第十名,西部第十名的球队就是人才济济。

但我想到的另一个原因是,克里斯·保罗似乎真的很喜欢这里。

是的。

部分原因是他正在打球。这是一个他可以打球、享受乐趣的地方,被依赖,做一些决定比赛胜负的事情,而在其他地方他可能无法做到这一点。我们不需要花整个部分,整整五分钟来讨论克里斯·保罗明年回来。我只是觉得值得一提的是,我认为认为他可能会再打一个赛季并不一定是荒谬的。而如果你在夏天提到这一点,我会认为,哦,这是一季的事情。在他被交易之前,这可能是一个三个月的事情。

是的,我会认为这是一个三个月的事情。

当然。我认为这取决于他。我认为这最终取决于他是否想追逐总冠军,如果他认为他可以和这个外星人,这个外星人正在取得的进步一起在这里赢得总冠军。而且,嗯

我的意思是,这也取决于马刺。他们可能会决定,你知道,因为克里斯·保罗不会免费打球。

是的。

他们可能会决定,这些资源明年可以更好地利用,而且我不认为他们会同时带回克里斯·保罗和特雷·琼斯。我认为他们明年需要一个非斯蒂芬·卡斯尔类型的控球后卫,这可能取决于两者中的一个,或者来自组织外部的人。但这就像,我,我只是想重申,克里斯·保罗在圣安东尼奥的表现真是太棒了。

非常好。你知道还有谁表现得很好吗,迈克·芬格?是哈里森·巴恩斯(Harrison Barnes),比,嗯

你错过了上周的播客。当他当选周最佳球员时,我们说了很多关于哈里森·巴恩斯的事情,是的,他继续表现出色。

是的。我不知道。在他当选周最佳球员之后,最后三场比赛是什么情况?他没有再次获得周最佳球员的数据。

是的,我不认为他这周会获得周最佳球员。我不认为他会连续两周获得。

我想这周是,谢顿·夏普(Shaedon Sharpe)获得了周最佳球员。

没错。我,我,我想我看到了。

是的,我不想过多地谈论NBA杯,因为我们的时间安排。但值得一提的是,在周二晚上的比赛之前,你们中的一些人会在马刺对阵太阳之前收听。马刺有机会争夺一个奖杯。我想这是一件好事。

是的,就像你提到的,我们在录制的时候无法预测未来,所以我不知道他们是否击败了菲尼克斯。但,结果对我接下来要说的观点无关紧要。只是参加那场比赛,你在为一些东西而战。赢了就能进入下一轮。在一场比赛中获胜并晋级。这不是进入季后赛,也不是,为季后赛而战,但这支球队名单上的很多人以前都没有经历过。那种,我猜我们可以称之为压力,就像一场重要比赛的压力,这场比赛有风险。

这支球队的球员,我的意思是很多年轻球员以前都没有经历过,我认为这对他们有好处。无论输赢,这对他们都有好处。参加一场感觉像季后赛的比赛,即使它不是真的。

我认为这是这支球队发展过程中迫切需要的一步。所以,所以他们能把自己置于这样一个位置,他们实际上正在参加一场有点重要的比赛,这很好。

好的。

如果他们赢得了麦当劳杯,它会被陈列在某个地方,还是会被藏在

什么?这变成了麦当劳杯?

麦当劳冠军,是的。

什么时候变成麦当劳的了?我以为是阿联酋航空杯。

不,我是说,还记得他们拥有的麦当劳冠军奖杯吗,嗯

是的。

在一个晚上找到了它。那是,嗯

你还记得我们,那天晚上,我们在

选秀。

那个地方观看了选秀。

是的,但我不知道为什么,为什么我们要谈论麦当劳,麦当劳和这有什么关系?

我是说,如果他们赢得了NBA杯,他们会把它放在显眼的地方展示吗?

我明白了。

你还记得我们就像在一个壁橱里,那里就像

是的。

蒙特罗。

在马刺的旧训练馆里。我相信那是杰里米·索汉(Jeremy Sochan)的选秀之夜。

是的,这个,而且这是他们在,欧洲赢得的奖杯。就像20,2007年左右的季前赛之类的,对吧?它在一个,它在一个杂物间里,就像在芝士饼干和,嗯

真的吗?还有葡萄干麦麸。

就像那样,一个食品储藏室。它不是一个杂物间,它是一个食品储藏室。

它看起来和我家的食品储藏室一模一样。

所以,它就像塞满了葡萄干麦麸和一个麦当劳杯。

汤姆,这是一个很好的观察。我只是被你称之为麦当劳杯给弄糊涂了,因为,我们知道,你知道,它是阿联酋航空杯。

就是那天晚上。

1999年的麦当劳冠军赛。

但是,我想回答你的问题,无论它是否认真或真诚,不,就像,NBA会确保,他们不会允许把阿联酋航空杯放在食品储藏室里,因为,NBA有,我相信,而且我可能不应该在这里乱说话,但我相信他们鼓励球队在他们的球馆里展示奖杯和横幅,这就是为什么你在洛杉矶的斯台普斯中心,加密中心有那个荒谬的东西,他们的季中锦标赛横幅和他们的迷你NBA总冠军横幅挂在一起。不要为此挂横幅。

我的意思是,马刺不应该这样做。马刺不会赢得,马刺不会赢得整个比赛,但如果你赢了,不要挂横幅。

我认为他们应该这样做。

否则呢?那将是一个很好的问题。

否则呢?我宁愿接受罚款。

人们会喜欢的。你知道,冠军升旗仪式。

在圣安东尼奥不会。我们是一个赢得总冠军的城市,就像一个真正的赢得总冠军的城市。我们不,我们不庆祝季中锦标赛。

而湖人队的土地不是一个赢得总冠军的城市。

他们只是没有勇气告诉亚当·席尔瓦(Adam Silver)滚蛋。

我们将在几个月后,在马刺挂起季中阿联酋航空杯横幅的那天晚上重放这段播客的片段,你说任何这样做的人都没有勇气。这会让你陷入麻烦。

我,我不在乎。我会坚持我,缺乏勇气的评论。

有点勇气。

什么是勇气?

有点,你对过去一周的马刺比赛或NBA比赛有什么其他充满勇气的看法吗?这里,这个怎么样?有时,当我们在外面的时候,人们会对播客有疑问。有些人是播客的新听众。我,我认识几个人,他们在过去几周或几个月才开始收听播客。他们喜欢这个节目,我们对此表示感谢。而且,但是,但是节目里充满了各种各样的小笑话。你知道,人们会问关于安全地点的问题,而且,而且这背后有一个故事,这周我不会讲,因为我想奖励那些,老听众,那些回到最初并记得那些笑话的人。但我们从新听众,尤其是年轻的新听众那里经常听到的一个问题。我说的年轻,是指比40岁年轻。是为什么你称马刺为“本地笼中人”?我们之前在节目中解释过,但这周我之所以提起它,是因为,这个节目的小组成员上周都彼此分开过了感恩节,这让一切变得更好了。

这就是我最感激的事情。

汤姆在过他的感恩节,杰夫在过他的感恩节,尼克在过他的感恩节,我也在过我的感恩节。而且,我收到了小组成员的群发短信,是杰夫·麦克唐纳,谁,而且,而且我会让你讲这个故事,但这与“本地笼中人”有关,因为你给我们发了一些来自旧年鉴或旧剪贴簿的,剪报的照片。而且,它谈到了一支田径队,称他们为“煤渣人”。“煤渣人”这个词太棒了。

是的。

这回到了过去报纸上所有关于你如何称呼不同体育运动员的旧说法。就像,足球运动员被称为,你可以插嘴,铁甲人,因为他们在铁上放了铁屑。

是的。因为,因为铁甲,但我甚至不知道铁甲是什么意思。

是的。我想我明白了其他的。

煤渣人我以前没听说过。我以为明星们是轻装上阵,因为他们穿着轻薄的衣服。

轻装上阵。

我想我更喜欢煤渣人。

而且你意识到“煤渣人”的起源了吗?

我,因为跑道是用煤渣做的,对吗?

跑道是用煤渣做的。

总之,在过去,篮球是在笼子里打的,就像在高中体,高中体育馆里一样。而且,球场周围会有铁丝网。我不知道,那可能是汤姆上高中的时候。他可以详细说明这一点。但这就是“笼中人”的来历。你看报纸,上面会写,J笼中人击败了Holmes,或者Breckinridge笼中人击败了Colum,诸如此类。

如果你住在一个小镇上,你知道,一个小镇,也许像,像你长大的地方,你可以,他们只会说“本地笼中人”。他们没有名字。所以就是这样。

回到我们用“棒极了”这样的词来形容一些优秀事物的时代。

看,有一个笑话组。

棒球运动员被称为“九匹马皮”。

九匹马皮。这要追溯到很久以前了。这太棒了。

是的。那是无论什么AirB,我们全家都在圣马科斯郊外的一个Airbnb见面,因为我们有人从外地来,在这个Airbnb里,你知道,人们只是,这是他们的家之类的,他们只是有一些俗气的装饰。其中之一是一本1975年的西南德克萨斯,大学或我猜是学院的年鉴。所以我翻阅了它,发现了“煤渣人”。

西南德克萨斯州立大学,现在的德克萨斯州立大学。对。

是的。

在那之前,它不是德克萨斯女子学院吗?

它是德克萨斯师范学院。

师范学院。

当林登·约翰逊(Lyndon B. Johnson)在那里的时候。

是的。

林登·约翰逊将是林登·贝恩斯·约翰逊,前总统,美国的总统之一。

汤姆,这对孩子们来说是一个很好的背景知识。

非常好。娶了小瓢虫夫人。我的意思是,你现在不需要解释这些事情吗?

你需要。为了家里的观众和听众。

总统是,总统是我们居住的国家的首席执行官。

在林登·贝恩斯·约翰逊成为总统之前,他主持了什么游戏节目?

伙计,我不知道。我只是,我只是假设这是一个先决条件。

哦,我明白了。我明白了。杰夫,这是一个很好的问题。

我们有一周的时间要展望,在杰夫从阳光谷回来之后的三场主场比赛。比赛时间安排得相当紧凑。四天内三场主场比赛,分别对阵芝加哥公牛队,马刺对他们有既得利益,今年可能会得到他们的选秀权。萨克拉门托国王队,马刺对他们有既得利益,将在2030年,2031年之类的某个时间得到他们的选秀权。而且,这些比赛是背靠背的,在周四和周五。然后在周日,陷入困境的新奥尔良鹈鹕队,他们正遭受伤病的困扰,而且打得一点也不好,将在周日访问弗罗斯特银行中心。这是我们确定的三场比赛。我们将在周二晚上对阵菲尼克斯的比赛结束后,了解下周的其余安排。联盟将安排,比赛来填补阿联酋航空杯的剩余时间。所以我们有一场客场比赛。

一场客场比赛。

我相信如果他们输了,马刺可能会在俄克拉荷马城或波特兰。

是的。

主场比赛可能对阵金州勇士队,或者,可能不会,因为金州勇士队参加了杯赛。但是,是的,我们有一些关于接下来会发生什么的框架。

如果他们赢了,如果他们赢了,他们会在某个地方比赛,我想。

是的。

如果他们赢了,其他三支球队,我相信是休斯顿、达拉斯和金州勇士队。

是的,那些可能是其他三支,是的。

是的。然后展望未来,12月中旬,亚特兰大,波特兰,主场,然后是客场对阵费城。

是的。

而且所有这些比赛都有一个共同的主题。

是的。

是的。是的,这可能是一个美好的月份。但就接下来的三场主场比赛而言,我们将以我们传统的,预测结束。你有你的公牛,你的国王,你的鹈鹕,四天内三场比赛。我将以一个大胆的,大胆的,大胆的宣言开始,那就是“本地笼中人”将三战全胜。

两胜一负,在背靠背的第二个晚上输给萨克拉门托。

完全背靠背。

这听起来很合理。

两胜一负,我想是我的预测,尽管,你知道。

他们仍然,萨克拉门托确实有点欠他们一场,他们目前对国王队两战全胜。

是的。关于国王队的系列赛,还有另一件事需要考虑。当你展望你的,你的马刺能否进入附加赛或季后赛之类的时候,就像他们最终可能会遇到的其他球队包括萨克拉门托国王队。如果你赢了对阵萨克拉门托国王队的第三场比赛,那就锁定了胜负关系,这可能会很重要,也可能不重要。所以这是一个额外的激励。

很难,很难在这么短的时间内三次击败同一支球队。

是的。

就像我们看到的犹他那样。

是的。

即使是犹他也在弗罗斯特偷走了一场胜利。

所以在背靠背的第二个晚上,我可以预见国王队。

是的。“本地笼中人”上次在背靠背的第二个晚上对阵他们时表现不佳,尽管那次是从犹他前往洛杉矶,在感恩节前夜面对湖人队。

是的。

是的。

这对他们来说是另一个考验。我提到了“激励”这个词,它让我想起了汤姆·奥斯本,我相信,早些时候教维克托·文班亚马的那个词

还记得吗?

是的。

是的。

我问他是否有额外的激励,他说他以前没听过这个词。

是的。

所以那很好。

总能学到一些东西。我们将尝试在现在和下周我们再次聚首之前学习一些更有趣的东西。也许尼克有什么结束语吗?

所以维克托就像我们去餐馆,好餐馆,然后菜单让人眼花缭乱的那个人。

嗯哼。

有太多东西可供选择。你很难选择一个。

是的,每次,每次都很难选择一个。每隔一段时间,你就会点错菜。有时你必须点餐馆最出名的菜。这是我的规则。

是的。

这样你就不会出错。

所以总是点麦乐鸡块,你是这个意思吗?

是的。这就是为什么我总是点麦乐鸡块。而当你在一个比那更好的地方时,你会被菜单和服务员坚持让你用你的帽凳分心。

没错。这是另一个回顾。

更多内部笑话。

总之,收听这个播客的孩子们根本不知道现在发生了什么。

我,这就是为什么我喜欢

成为一个家庭节目的英勇努力。

总之。

我的意思是,自帽凳事件以来,有些孩子已经出生了,现在正在收听播客,你必须解释一下

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It’s Wembanyama’s alien world

Columnist Mike Finger and Spurs beat reporters Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn discuss Victor Wembanyama’s dominant run of late, how he could tap into his potential even more and why there is no one else like him, not even Brad Sellers.

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From a highly secure network of top-secret locations across North America, this is the Spurs Insider. We made it to December. I am Mike Finger, joined by our usual panel of Express-News Spurs beat writers, Jeff McDonald and Tom Orsborn, along with sports editor Nick Talbot. Jeff McDonald’s in his secure location in the painted desert, in the valley of the sun. The rest of us are closer to home. But what we all have in common is we are on the bandwagon of a team that might be good, that continues to might be good; the local cagers. Still above 500 heading into this recording. And Jeff McDonald, did just do you have any status update on on the whole question of whether you cover a good team or not?

I mean, it’s the tenth-place San Antonio Spurs. So, let’s go, let’s go Hawkin.

They’re in 10th. Always putting things in perspective. But it’s it’s the tenth place in in the best conference.

Yeah. If they’re in the if if they were in the East, we would definitely be Hawkin’ right now.

Yeah. They they’d be fighting for home court in the East.

Just a housekeeping issue here. As always, the Spurs Insider is in your digital players by Wednesday mornings. By by by the time you wake up on Wednesday morning, some people might be listening to this before the big NBA Cup showdown Tuesday night in Phoenix between the local cagers and the Phoenix Suns. But we’re not going to discuss too much NBA Cup this week because it the Spurs might be in the playoffs, they might not be in the NBA Cup playoffs by the time most of you listen to it on Wednesday. So let’s go back over the week that was. I think Tom and I continued our streak of correctly projecting the the record each week.

Bragging. Your Spurs won two of three. The the the cynic, the pessimist, the the the gray cloud followed beat guy Jeff McDonald predicted one and two. But Tom, you you got it right again. Not only did the Spurs take care of business against the Utah Jazz, but they went on the road to Sacramento and had another one of their patented second-half comebacks to come back against their old friend DeMar DeRozan and the Kings. What what do you think of the week, Tom?

Yeah. I mean, they’re they’re they’re playing pretty good. They’re playing pretty well. The um, you know, but it all comes back to Wemby. Um, you know, Jeff did a great job I thought in his story online and in today’s Express-News in summing up, you know, just how to describe the guy. You know, what he did against Sacramento. Just incredible. And uh, you know, I think he pointed out, Mike, too, that when he scores inside, you know, when he plays like a a seven-foot-four guy, uh, in addition to hitting those three-pointers, pretty damn good.

There was a stretch, Jeff, in the in the second half there and and you had a close-up view of it in in Sacramento, which a place I know you love, that where where it it was the Wembanyama that um I think some of us really enjoy watching where it was at one end of the floor, just no one was getting to the basket. He was just being like the dad. He had he had dad blocks. And then at the other end, he decided he was going to get to the rim and be a seven-foot-four guy who just couldn’t be stopped. And I think the threat of the jump shots that he’d hit in that game, the threat of the three-pointers helped him there. Like I I’m I’m not one of those curmudgeons who says that tall guys have to be close to the basket all the time. The three-pointer is a big part of his game, always will be. He hit a huge fadeaway, like an unguardeable fadeaway over Sabonis during that stretch, too. But then he was ju- he was just getting to the basket and and doing like George Gervin scoop shots, uh, dunks. It was it was fun Wemby to me. I’m wondering if you would agree.

I agree, and it was a very um enlightening and interesting post-game talking to uh acting coach Mitch Johnson and some of the some of the players about it. Um, because you know, there’s still this thing with us, like what are we watching when we watch Victor Wembanyama? What how is this supposed to look? Because like as you mentioned, there is a segment of people, including myself sometimes, where I’m like, you’re seven-three and the guy guarding you is six-three. Just just go be a like you said, be a dad and just drop the ball in over them. Like go be tall. Just go be tall.

Um, but um I there were a lot of there was a lot of good quotes that came out of that, but the one that really stuck out to me was Mitch talking about how yeah, he’s learning how like he can do everything. Everything you can possibly want to do on a basketball court, he can do. And he’s learning how to use all the weapons at his disposal, which are more weapons than anyone has ever had at their disposal on an NBA basketball court. So sometimes you’re going to pick the wrong weapon, and sometimes it’s it’s you’re you’re going to mess it up. And he’s he’s going through that. When you I think the quote was like when you have a menu of everything, occasionally you’re going to get it wrong. You’re you’re not going to make the right choice every time. And so I thought that was a really interesting way of looking at it that the fact that he is so talented sometimes uh is a problem because he has to figure out what to do in in in what situation. And I think I think that down the stretch in Sacramento, um he like everything he did worked. And there was a time he did have that one of those baskets over Malik Monk, who is six-foot-three, Victor is seven-foot-three. He had one of those baskets, I think that was the game-tying basket or the go-ahead basket, I think it was a tying basket. And then later they needed one, it was the same situation. He’s got Malik Monk on him. Like go be go go shoot a layup, but no, he he waits for the double team to start, throws it across the the court to Devin Vassell, and it’s a three-pointer now. And I guess that’s the right choice. Now if Vassell misses that shot, you could probably go back and second-guess it, but he made he made the shot and then it was that was a big shot. Like put them up two scores going into the final two minutes, I think that’s kind of what loosened the game for them. So

Well, I’m sure that that closing um quarter closing segment we’re talking about that that was especially maddening, I would I would imagine for Mike Brown, who’s no dummy and who probably looked at the way Victor Wembanyama has played for much of this early part of the season and said, hey, we can get away with having Malik Monk go be the primary defender on Victor Wembanyama because Victor Wembanyama has not been necessarily making guards pay for being short in the post for a lot of the season. And in this particular game, he made Malik Monk and the other shorter guys, I guess everybody is a shorter guy to Victor, but um the other wing guard type players who were guarding him, he made them pay. Um, and even in the middle of that, like Jeff said that that that play stood out to me, the the one where he had made the little guy’s pay a couple of times in a row and then he had it again, and then he decided he’s going to make this cross-court pass to Devin Vassell, uh, who hit the shot. I think that was Victor’s tenth assist. And there was a there was a part of me that was wondering, I wonder if he wanted the tenth assist to get his triple-double. Like when you’re Victor Wembanyama, you can sort of uh like he he he’s admitted he looks at the scoreboard and looks at his stats during games, he knows what’s going on. Maybe he wanted an assist there. He can just toy with teams that way. But that was a that was a fun Victor game. It hasn’t been all Victor with the Spurs so far this season, but we are seeing um prime Wembanyama start we’re starting to get something closer to prime Wembanyama.

Who could seem to be an amazing complement for him as Chris Paul, though.

Yeah. Well, I wanted to go back and you mentioned Mike Brown. I guess he’s not a friend of the podcast, but we enjoy him. He’s a he’s a Spurs expatriot. But everywhere you go, even for the last year and a half now, or a year and however long Victor’s been here, every like everyone wants to ask the opposing coach about Victor and how do you stop him and how who does what does he look like and what, you know, how great is he basically? And you oh you you’ve heard so many people like so many coaches just gush about him. Um, so they asked Mike Brown that before the game in Sacramento. And he brings up Brad Sellers.

Yeah, I’d never heard that before. That was a new one to me.

He says, uh, Brad Sellers, you just had not heard uh the the comparison to uh

Somebody really asked him, like, you know, this guy, you know, he’s so long and tall, how do you deal with him?

Mike Brown says, well, do you remember Brad Sellers?

And I about fell out of my chair because it’s the funniest thing I ever heard in my life. The point I think Mike was eventually getting to was yeah, this guy Brad Sellers came along in the eighties and we thought he was a handful. You know, he was going to be a handful. He was seven-two and could move and whatever. And uh Vic- Vic- Victor’s just, you know, you know, you you look at Victor and he’s just light years beyond that. Like it was kind of a point about how far the game has come. But I didn’t, you know, I’ve never heard anyone bring up Brad Sellers when

In the same breath before Wemby and Brad Sellers. It’s it’s quite it’s quite absurd, the uh Brad Sellers and his what just pull them up and he scored uh how much a 6.3?

6.3. Whacking 6.3. Yeah.

6.3 in points a game. Wild. That’s wild.

He wasn’t being he wasn’t being uncomplimentary. He just it was he was a it was a it was a hand-fisted way to make a point. But it made me laugh.

And I had a relative who left his homework in uh the Big Lebowski’s car. I tell you that kid’s that kid’s name was Larry Sellers, I think.

That’s right. Does anybody here know what I’m talking about?

Yes. I thought I thought he his relative played the Pink Panther.

Oh, that’s true, too. Yeah. I’ve got a lot of good Sellers out there.

I have a question. If this isn’t prime Wembanyama, what it is? This last eight games, 31.1 points, 43% from three, 11 rebounds a game, 4.6 assists and 3.4 blocks. If this isn’t prime, what the heck is?

It’s um

So you can read the you can read the statistics all you want, but you if if you watch the games, he hasn’t it hasn’t been prime Victor yet. But like that think that’s what

That’s what I’m saying. Those stat those are MVP-level stats. What so what the heck is prime?

Like that’s that’s the What what the what’s That’s the story of Wembanyama is that you you watch him play and you see how he can be better. Oh, once he figures it out, he’s going to have have mastered that player. He will do that better. At the end of the day, he’s got MVP-level stats. That’s that’s the thing. It’s crazy.

What what that’s what Mitch Johnson has said more than once now is it’s um doing the little things, mastering the fundamentals. Like he can obviously do the spectacular stuff, we’ve seen it. But it’s just the little things that are maybe maybe won’t change his final stat numbers. But it’s it’s it’s it’s kind of like that fourth quarter. It wasn’t just the shots he made, but it’s like all of a sudden he’s going to get rebounds. Like you it you saw I saw a difference in Victor Wembanyama in the fourth quarter in Sacramento in terms of just like I’m going to go get this rebound now. That was a that was a that was a there was a difference to me in the fourth-quarter version of that and the first three quarters. Uh, you know, making a simple play instead of the spectacular play and maybe turning it over. Like he had five turnovers in Sacramento early. Um, it’s just it’s footwork things. It’s that play against Malik Monk uh where he actually scored at the basket by using a little bit of height and fundamentals and just overwhelming a guy. Um, that’s that’s what prime Wembanyama’s going to look like. And maybe it doesn’t change the final box score numbers for him, but I think it changes the game for everybody else when he starts to be um a master of the fundamentals as well as a master of the spectacular plays that only he can do. And once he gets that, like I don’t know, I don’t want to be overdramatic, but once he gets that, it’s it’s like over. It’s it’s done.

I’m glad that you kept us on that point for a while. That was that was uh that that was that was nice of you, Jeff, to step up uh search yourself, say we need to talk more about Victor. I think the listeners enjoyed that. Uh, you know, gives it gives gives me confidence, confidence in my teammates to know that they can take over for me.

Well, yeah. I I mean, I’m a podcasting genius because I’m like we should talk about Victor Wembanyama more.

Uh-huh.

I mean, that was that was, you know, I know not everyone believes that, but

I want to talk about Larry Sellers some more.

What happens, Larry? What happens, Larry, when I I’m not going to finish that.

He he learned it. Yeah, it was a lesson. Uh, he was he was being taught there.

Yeah, but it wasn’t in his car.

Right.

Says what happens, Larry, when you when you stab a stranger in a back in his back, something like that.

Backstabbing.

I don’t I don’t know. That’s got wins, but okay.

Yeah. Well, this is still a family podcast. We’re still going for the like the Disney uh demographic and

It’s like fam families are gathering around their uh telephones in the middle like dinner to listen to this.

Yeah.

They’re listening to this right after they see Moana II.

Okay. Yeah. Um, I mentioned Chris Paul earlier, who I do want to discuss because he still just is the epitome of everything this team needed. Like I this is also a pretty obvious take uh to follow the Victor Wembanyama is good take. But um, that was a pretty good signing. And every week, every game it that becomes more and more evident. Just it seemed natural in July when it happened. It seemed obvious back then that of course, that’s the kind of guy this team needs. And um, you know, a couple times this past week, though we’ve been going back to that Utah game, uh Chris Paul hit a huge three, did Chris Paul stuff in the closing minutes of the Sacramento game. And and I want to throw this out, like just to overreact and to be very hot-take-y on the podcast here. Um, realize I’m kind of a prisoner of the moment. And this guy’s 39 years old and could, you know, have a have a terrible injury in the next week or the next four months.

Oh, man.

I’m I’m just saying like stuff happens. But like am I crazy for thinking they sh- that like Chris Paul could come back next year and do this with the Spurs again at 40?

Oh, man.

I I I wo- uh wow. I didn’t I didn’t anticipate that question.

Well, that that’s this that’s what makes it a hot take.

And this is it’s ridiculous to speak about this this early in the season. We don’t know how it’s going to go. We don’t know how the the next four months are going to go. But Chris Paul doesn’t seem like a guy who’s about to retire. Uh, the Trey Jones is a free agent and addition too and we talked about Trey Jones later, too. But Trey Jones is a free agent, Chris Paul’s a free agent. Um, there’s not just I I don’t think this is going to be a an offseason where there’s a huge free agent signing um for the Spurs or for anybody else. I don’t think it’s go- a huge activity free agent summer. Um, if if he’s continuing to give exactly what he’s giving now, like why walk away from that?

I guess I have two thoughts. If he continues to play like he’s played and you think he can continue to play this way going into next season and he wants to continue to be here, sure. Like it’s it’s worked out. So far it’s worked out. I I think the word is swimmingly.

Swimmingly.

So um that’s one side of it. I guess my only maybe uh pause would be don’t you want to hand the reins to Steph Curry at some point?

Yeah. That’s the other side of it. But also like Steph Curry and Chris Paul together it works.

It does.

But I don’t even know if they’re starting together once everybody gets healthy. Like that’s just something to monitor, not be

Maybe there’s another issue there. This is this that’s a ridiculous topic to throw out. They they have way too many good players. The tenth place in the West, tenth-placed team in the West is just loaded.

But another reason I thought about it is because Chris Paul seems to like like genuinely like it here so much.

Yeah.

And and part of it is just he’s he’s hooping. And this is a place where he can play and have fun and uh be relied upon and do game-winning things, and he might not be able to do that elsewhere. And we don’t need to spend the whole segment, a whole five minutes talking about Chris Paul coming back next year. I just thought it was worth throwing out there that I don’t think that’s necessarily preposterous to think that he could be back for another season. Whereas if you would have mentioned that to me in the summer, I would have thought oh, this is a one season thing. It could be like a three-month thing before he’s traded.

Yeah, I would have thought it was a three-month thing.

For sure. Uh, I think it’s up to him. I think it’s ultimately his decision if he wants to chase a title, if he thinks he can get one here with the progress that the aliens are the alien is making. And uh

Well, it’s it’s I mean it’s it’s it’s up to the Spurs, too. They might decide that um you know, because because Chris Paul’s not going to play for free.

Yeah.

Um, they might decide that those resources could be better used next year and I I don’t see them bringing back both Chris Paul and Trey Jones. I think they’re going to need a non-Steph Curry point guard next year and it might come down to one or the other or somebody from outside the organization. But that like I I I just want to reiterate that the Chris Paul fit in San Antonio was just amazing.

Very good. You know else who’s fit very well, Mike Finger? Uh, is Harrison Barnes, much better than uh

You missed you missed the podcast last last week. We did a lot of Harrison Barnes stuff uh when he was Player of the Week. And uh, yeah, and he he continues to be good.

Um, yeah. Uh, I don’t know. What what what was the what was the last three games after his Player of the Week? He didn’t have Player of the Week stats again.

Yeah, I I don’t think he’s going to get Player of the Week this week. I don’t think it’s going to be back-to-back.

I think it was uh Shaedon Sharpe that Player of the Week this week.

That’s true. I I I think I saw that.

Um, yeah, the the uh the this I I I don’t want to do too much NBA Cup stuff just because of our timing. But it’s worth mentioning that heading into Tuesday night’s game, some of you will listen to this before the Spurs take on the Suns. Uh, Spurs have a chance to play for a Cup. Um, that’s something, I guess.

Yeah, that’s um like as you mentioned, we we can’t predict the future as we’re recording this, so I don’t know if they’ve beaten Phoenix or not beaten Phoenix. But uh the outcome doesn’t matter to the point I’m about to make. It’s just being in that game where you’re playing for something. It’s win and get to the get to the next round. It’s win and advance in a tournament. Um, it’s not going to the playoffs and it’s not uh competing for the playoffs, but it’s something that a lot of guys on this roster have not experienced before. That kind of like I guess we’ll call it pressure, like that pressure of like a big game where there’s stakes involved.

Um, guys on this team, I mean a lot of the younger guys have not experienced that before, and I think it’ll be good for them. Win or lose, it’ll be good for them. To play in a game that feels like a playoff type game even if it’s not really.

Um, I think that’s a step in the development of this team that they desperately need. And then and so it’s good that they got themselves in this position where they’re actually playing a game that semi-matters.

Okay.

If they win the McDonald’s Cup, will it be displayed somewhere, or will it be tucked away in a

What? This become McDonald’s Cup?

McDonald’s Championship, yeah.

When did this become McDonald’s? I thought it was Emirates.

No, I’m saying remember the McDonald’s Championship trophy they had uh

Yeah.

Found it one night. It was uh

Do you remember we it was the night uh we watched the draft at the

It was the draft.

Place.

Yes, but I don’t know wh- why are we talking about the McDo- what what what does McDonald’s have to do with this?

I’m saying if they win the NBA Cup, do they display it prominently?

I see.

Do you remember that we were like in a closet, and there was like

Yes.

Monteoro.

At the old Spurs facility. I believe it was the Jeremy Sochan draft.

Yes, this cr- and this was the Cup they won in uh Europe. Like some pretty season thing from like twenty twenty 2007 or something, right? And it was in a it was in a supply closet like above the Cheez-Its and the uh

Really? And the and the Raisin Bran.

Like that’s what it was, a pantry. It wasn’t it wasn’t a supply closet, it was a food pantry.

It looked exactly like my pantry.

So, it was just crammed Raisin Bran and a like in the McDonald’s Cup.

That’s a good observation, Tom. Uh, I was just thrown by you calling it the McDonald’s Cup because uh we’re you know, it’s you know, it was the Emirates.

It was the night.

The 1999 McDonald’s Championship.

But the um I I think to answer that your question whether or not it was earnest or sincere, not is like the the NBA makes sure they they wouldn’t be allowed to put the Emirates Cup in the pantry because like there the the NBA has I believe and and I probably shouldn’t speak out of school here, but I believe they’ve encouraged teams to uh display the Cup and the banner uh in their arenas, which is why you have that ridiculous thing in uh in Staples Crypto in Los Angeles where the their end-season banner is hung alongside their mini NBA championship. Do not put up a banner for this.

I mean, the Spurs aren’t supposed to. The Spurs aren’t going to win the Spurs aren’t going to win the whole thing, but if you do, don’t put up a banner.

I think that they’re supposed to.

Or what? That that’d be a good problem to have.

Or what? I’d I’d rather take the fine.

People would like it. You know, the winner raising ceremony.

Not not in San Antonio. We are a title-winning town, like an actual title-winning town. We don’t we don’t celebrate in-season tournaments here.

And the and the the land of the Lakers is not a title-winning town.

They just didn’t they just didn’t have the gumption to tell Adam Silver to go get bent.

We’re going to replay this snippet of this podcast um in in several months on the night when the Spurs hang the in-season Emirates Cup banner and you you’re saying that the that anyone who who did so does not have gumption. It’s going to get you in trouble.

I I don’t I don’t care. I’ll stand by my uh lack of gumption comment.

Okay.

Just have some gumption.

What is gumption?

Have some uh Do you have any any other gumption-filled takes from the past week of of Spurs action or NBA? Here, how about this? Sometimes um when when we’re out in the world, people have questions about the podcast. Some people are new to the podcast. I I I know a couple people who just started listening to the podcast in the last couple of uh weeks or months. They enjoy the show, and we appreciate that. And uh but but there the show is full of all kinds of little in-jokes. You know, people ask about the secure location, and and there’s a story behind that, and I’m not going to get into it this week because I want to reward the the the the guys the the OG’s, the people who go way back to the beginning and remember those jokes. But a question that we get a lot from newcomers, especially younger newcomers. By younger, I mean like younger than 40. Um, is is why do you call the Spurs the local cagers? And we’ve we’ve we’ve explained this before on the show, but the reason I bring it up this week is because the the the uh the panelists on this show were all enjoying Thanksgiving away from each other, which made it all the better last week.

That’s what I gave thanks for the most.

Tom was doing his Thanksgiving thing, Jeff was doing his Thanksgiving thing, Nick was doing his Thanksgiving thing, I was doing mine. And uh I get this uh group text from a fellow panelist, and it’s Jeff McDonald, who and and I’ll let you tell the story, but this relates to the to the local cagers because you sent uh photos to us from some old yearbook or some old scrapbook with um newspaper clippings. And uh it talked about a track team and it called them the cindermen. Which cindermen is amazing.

Yes.

And this goes to all the old nomenclature that used to be in newspapers about what you would call different sports athletes. Like the the the football players were time you can jump in grit irons, cuz they put grit on the iron.

Yeah. Because of because of the grid iron, but I don’t even know what grid iron means.

Yeah. I guess I get what the others.

Uh, well, cindermen I had not heard before. I thought the stars were thin-clad cuz they wore thin then clothes, clothing.

Thin-clad.

I think I like cindermen better.

And and did you realize why where the the origin of cindermen came from?

I’ve because the track is made of cinder, correct?

The track is made of cinder.

And anyway, then in the old days the uh back the ba- basketball was played in a cage, like in in high school are- high school gyms. And uh they’d there’d be like chicken wire around the court. I don’t kn- that that might have been when Tom was in high school. He can he can elaborate on this. But that’s where cagers came from. You’d look in the newspaper, it’d be like the the the the the Jay cagers beat Holmes, or the the Breckinridge cagers beat the column, whatever.

And and if you lived in a town like that was just, you know, a small town, maybe like uh like maybe where you grew up, you could they would just say the local cagers. They’d lack a name. And so there you go.

And back in the days when we were using words like Cracker Jack to describe something excellent.

Uh, see there’s a joke group.

Baseball baseball guys were known as the horsehide nine.

Horsehide nine. That’s going way back. That’s amazing.

Yeah. It was the whatever AirB uh we all my family all met at like an Airbnb outside of San Marcos cuz we had people coming in from out of town, and in this Airbnb, you know, people just it’s their homes or whatever, they just have like kitschy decorations. And one of them was a 1975 Southwest Texas um you know, university or guess college yearbook. So I was flipping through that and found cindermen.

Southwest Texas State, now Texas State. Correct.

Yes.

Before that, wasn’t it the Texas Women’s College?

It was Texas Teachers College.

Teachers Teachers College.

When when LBJ was there.

Yeah.

LBJ would be Lyndon Baines Johnson, uh former president, one of the presidents of these United States.

That’s that’s a good background with the kids, Tom.

Excellent. Married to Lady Bird. I mean, don’t you have to explain these things now?

You do. For for the viewers and listeners at home.

President is President is the lead the chief executive of the of the country that we live.

What uh what what what game show did Lyndon Baines Johnson host before he became president?

Boy, I don’t know. I’m just guess I’d just I just just assume that’s a prerequisite.

Oh, I see. I see. That’s a that’s that’s a good one there, Jeff.

Um, we have a a week ahead to look with to look at um three home games after Jeff gets back from the valley of the sun. Uh, playing in pretty quick su- succession. Three home games in four days against the Chicago Bulls, who the Spurs have a vested interest in, might be getting their draft pick this year. The Sacramento Kings, who the Spurs have a vested interest in, will be getting their draft pick in like third 2030, 2031, something like that. And uh those are back-to-back on Thursday and Friday. And then on Sunday, the the foundering floundering New Orleans Pelicans, who are just beat up with injuries and not playing very well at all, a visit Frost Bank Center on Sunday. Those are the three we know for sure. We will find out after the Phoenix game on Tuesday night uh what the rest of next week entails. The uh league will assign uh games to fill up at the end of the Emirates Cup. So we have one road game.

One road game.

I believe the Spurs could be at either Oklahoma City or Portland.

Yeah.

If they lose.

Home game maybe against Golden State, or well, it probably wouldn’t be because Golden State’s in the Cup. But um yeah, we have we have some of a framework as to what to expect.

If they win, if they win, they’re they’re going to be playing somewhere, I think.

Yeah.

The other three teams that if they win are I believe Houston and Dallas and Golden State.

Yeah, those will probably be the other three, yeah.

Yeah. And then looking further ahead, uh mid mid-December, Atlanta, Portland at home, and then at Philadelphia.

Yeah.

And there’s like there’s a common theme in all these games.

Yep.

Yes. Yes, it could be a good month. But just for the next just just for the three home games, we will uh conclude with our uh traditional uh prognostications. You got your Bulls, your Kings, your Pelicans, three games in four days. I will start off by making a bold, bold, bold proclamation that the local cagers will go three and oh.

Two and one, losing to Sacramento on the second night of the back-to-back.

Full back-to-back.

That that seems about right.

Two and one, I guess is my prediction, although, you know.

They’re they’re still Sacramento does kind of own them one, that they’re two and oh against the Kings so far.

Yeah. Here’s another thing to think about though with the with that Kings series. Um, when you look ahead to whether or not your your Spurs can make the play-in or the playoffs or what have you, like other teams that they could be around at the end there include the Sacramento Kings. And if you win a third game against the Sacramento Kings, that clinches that tiebreaker, which may or may not be important. So that’s an extra incentive there.

It’s it’s hard to it’s hard to beat a team three te- three times so close together.

It is.

Like we saw we saw that with Utah.

Yep.

Even Utah snuck one in at the Frost.

So second night of the back-to-back, I could see the Kings.

Yeah. Local cagers weren’t very good the last time they played them, the second of a back-to-back, although that was traveling from Utah to face the Lakers on Thanksgiving Eve.

Yep.

Yeah.

That’s that’s another test for them. And I mentioned the word incentive there, and it brought to mind that that’s a word that Tom Orsborn, I believe, taught Victor Wembanyama earlier this

Remember that?

Yes.

Yeah.

I’m asking about an extra incentive, and he said I haven’t heard that word before.

Yeah.

So that was good.

Uh, can always learn something. We will try to learn something more interesting between now and next week when we reconvene again. Probably want to have any for closing thoughts?

So Victor’s like that guy who you go into like one of us when we go into a restaurant, good restaurant, and the menu’s just overwhelming.

Mm-hmm.

There’s there’s so many things to choose from. You have just have a hard time picking one.

Yeah, every so hard time picking one. Every so often you make a bad order. Sometimes you got to go with what the place is known best for. That’s that’s my rule.

Yeah.

You can’t go wrong there.

So always always order the McNuggets, is what you’re saying?

Yeah. That’s why I always get the McNuggets. And when you’re in a place even nicer than that, you get distracted by both the menu and the waiter’s insistence that you use your hat stool.

Um, That’s right. That’s another callback.

More more inside jokes.

Anyway, the children listening to this podcast have no idea what’s going on right now.

I that’s why I like

It’s a valiant effort to be a family show.

Um, anyway.

I mean there’s there’s children that have been born since the hat stool story that are now listening to the podcast, and you have to explain it