By Jeje Gomez | Pounding The Rock (PtR), 2026-03-30 15:30:00
凯莱布·威廉姆斯正试图注册“冰人 (Iceman)”绰号的商标，而这个绰号在非官方层面已经属于乔治·格文数十年之久。新一代球星能否向新观众重新引入这些绰号，还是说这对传奇人物是一种不尊重？
玛丽琳·杜宾斯基 (Marilyn Dubinski)： 我在这件事上有个人偏见，因为我热爱乔治·格文 (George Gervin)（我父亲当年和他私交甚笃），而且从凯莱布·威廉姆斯 (Caleb Williams) 在俄克拉荷马大学和南加州大学的大学时代起，我就一直不喜欢他。（什么样的“世代级”运动员需要通过在指甲上涂“f*** (对手)”来激励自己？）我认为，如果一个绰号及其关联的球员足够具有标志性，它就应该受到尊重，而不应被后辈占用，“冰人”显然符合这一标准。尽管我万万没想到格文在这么多年后竟然还没有注册这个商标，从而留下了被钻空子的余地。（顺便提一句，作为芝加哥熊队的死忠粉，蒂姆·邓肯 (Tim Duncan) 对这一切怎么看？可惜他是那种沉默寡言的人。）
比尔·黄 (Bill Huan)： 我完全不明白为什么绰号需要注册商标。大多数时候，绰号是球迷发明并推广的，将其据为己有毫无道理。一个标志（Logo）或者品牌？也许可以。但仅仅是一个绰号？太疯狂了。这与对方是不是格文无关——想象一下，如果勒布朗 (LeBron) 也做同样的事。难道我们需要为皇室家族的男性成员再造一个词吗？在我看来，这相当荒谬，德文 (Devon) 在下面说得最好：“绰号是球迷赋予的荣誉，而不是私人财产。”
德文·伯德桑 (Devon Birdsong)： 诚然，我对格文有着特殊的感情，因为我们是同一天生日。我祖母经常跟我提起这件事，以至于我在马刺队夺冠的几年前，以及在我还没费心去查还有谁也是那天生日之前，我就已经知道他了。话虽如此，其实我不介意另一名球员重复使用某个绰号，前提是这个绰号是球迷赋予他们的。如果换做是我，我不想和别人共用一个绰号，但这只是我的个人看法。然而，我也认为球员从一开始就不应该被允许注册绰号商标。绰号是球迷赋予的荣誉，而不是私人财产。我认为像威廉姆斯这样对待绰号是对球迷和前辈球员的不尊重，尤其是当前任拥有者恰好是一位名人堂成员时。实际上，如果威廉姆斯能够成功注册该商标，我非常担心这会给整个体育界带来什么样的先例。想象一下，如果厄尔·“珍珠”·门罗 (Earl ‘The Pearl’ Monroe) 或哈基姆·“大梦”·奥拉朱旺 (Hakeem ‘The Dream’ Olajuwon) 突然也必须申请商标保护。这种情况下一旦出现错误的结果，可能会引发一场商标抢注的雪崩。
杰杰·戈麦斯 (Jeje Gomez)： 原则上我不反对重复使用绰号，前提是对最初推广该绰号的人保持足够的尊重，且共享该绰号的两人之间存在某种联系。例如，在阿根廷足球界，球迷习惯于为不同时代但姓氏相同的两名球员使用同一个绰号。所以，如果威廉姆斯姓格文，并且表达过对“冰人”的仰慕，我认为他沿用这个绰号没问题。但现在的情况并非如此，这既不是非官方的传承，也不是一种致敬。通过注册商标，威廉姆斯本质上是在无视前人的情况下强行占有这个绰号。这观感真的很差。
联盟近期见证了多项纪录被打破，巴姆·阿德巴约 (Bam Adebayo) 砍下的 83 分（NBA 历史上第二高单场得分）就是最新的例子。我们是否正在进入一个由于 NBA 变化太大而导致数据不再重要的时代？
杜宾斯基： 我不会说数据不再重要；如果是一名马刺球员做到了这一点，我们一定会欢欣鼓舞，并拒绝任何因为对手实力或最后几分钟的刷分行为而认为其含金量降低的说法。（这毕竟是在对阵一支 NBA 球队，只不过是一支正在摆烂、且太晚才意识到不该让这种事在自己眼皮底下发生的球队。）话虽如此，我不认为我们正进入一个此类事件会突然变得半常态化的时代，尤其是对于那些非世代级的得分手来说。当今的比赛风格太过于无私；大多数教练在比赛进入大胜的垃圾时间后仍不会把球星留在场上。如果亚当·萧华 (Adam Silver) 能在今年夏天再次尝试整治摆烂行为，那么就不会再出现像这次这样因为对阵双方实力悬殊而产生高分的情况了。
黄： 说数据不重要是不诚实的。相反，我们应该结合背景来看待数据，这应该是我们讨论整个历史的默认方式。例如，康·克努佩尔 (Kon Knueppel) 可能会在菜鸟赛季投进 280 多个三分球，而斯蒂芬 (Steph) 直到他拿到第一个 MVP 的第七个赛季才达到这个数字。这是否意味着克努佩尔是更好的射手？当然不是！但这也不意味着我们可以因为克努佩尔所处的时代就抹杀他的成就。我们只需要将事情放在特定的背景下观察，好消息是，随着统计数据和时代调整模型变得越来越先进，NBA 社区在这方面做得越来越好了。
伯德桑： 我认为经过时代调整的高级统计数据将变得越来越重要，但我也知道这就是 NBA 的规律——在进攻时代和防守时代之间交替。奇怪的是，我认为联盟的赛程安排和球员轮休已经促使人们转向关注基于比率的统计数据，这已经成功了一半。确实需要更多地强调三分球引入前后的得分差异，但我认为很多人已经意识到这一点了。这与 NFL 球迷适应历史传球榜单变化的过程并无二致。如果说有什么不同的话，那就是目前的数据通胀反而巩固了像丹·马里诺 (Dan Marino) 和迈克尔·乔丹 (Michael Jordan) 这样球员的历史地位。
戈麦斯： 在我看来，比阿德巴约的 83 分更令人担忧的是职业生涯总得分和三分球纪录。三分球的普及不可避免地会导致过去时代的几位伟大射手在历史排名中下滑。这种高度依赖三分且节奏极快的现代比赛，可能会在十年左右的时间里对历史得分榜产生类似的影响。目前我们还觉得没问题，但最终，查看榜单可能无法像现在这样告诉我们谁才是真正卓越的射手或得分手。
维克托·文班亚马 (Victor Wembanyama) 正在追逐历史。你认为哪项纪录如果被他打破，能让他脱颖而出，并确立他作为史上最伟大球员之一的地位？
杜宾斯基： 我认为无论这项纪录是什么，它都会出现在防守端，无论是哈基姆·奥拉朱旺 (Hakeem Olajuwon) 历史总盖帽数 3830 个，还是马克·伊顿 (Mark Eaton) 职业生涯场均 3.5 次盖帽的纪录。（如果你还没读过，去读读马特奥·马约尔加 (Mateo Mayorga) 的文章吧。）他可能会创造一些进攻纪录，但我并不认为他是一个足够划时代的得分手，或者拥有足够的职业寿命来追赶勒布朗那样的数字。我设想他打破的任何进攻纪录都会带有身高限制，比如“7 英尺球员投进的最多的三分球”，或者是结合防守数据的纪录，比如“首位场均贡献 X 分、篮板和盖帽的球员”之类的。
黄： 这很可能是几项数据的结合。在职业生涯的前 175 场比赛中，文班投进的三分球比斯蒂芬还多，而且送出的盖帽比哈基姆还多。我们可能再也见不到能在如此高水平上兼顾这两项技能的人了，他职业生涯结束时也可能拥有最多的 5x5 数据或四双。任何听起来最离谱的事情，文班不知何故总能达成。
伯德桑： 我认为如果他的目标是历史最佳（GOAT），他几乎必须走夺冠这条路，因为在数据论证方面，他要么得像勒布朗那样打得一样久（或更久），要么得拥有真正威尔特 (Wilt) 式的数据巅峰。自乔丹以来，还没有超级巨星能获得超过 5 座总冠军，而且只有他和卡里姆 (Kareem) 拿到了拉塞尔 (Russell) 冠军数的一半以上。卡里姆本人其实就有一个非常稳固的 GOAT 论据，拥有 6 个冠军和 6 个 MVP，所以如果文班能够在展现漫长巅峰期的同时超越这些成就，他将拥有更有力的竞争资本，并毫无疑问地成为史上最顶尖的球员之一。
戈麦斯： 如果文班能保持健康，他的职业生涯就没有上限，所以他最终可能会获得多个 MVP 和总冠军戒指，这使得任何特定的纪录对于奠定他的历史地位来说都不是必须的。如果非要选一个即使在非理想情况下也看似可行的目标，我认为是赢得 NBA 历史上最多的最佳防守球员奖（DPOY）。这可能是他进入伟大球员殿堂最快的方式。
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Why Caleb Williams is in the wrong in the Iceman controversy with George Gervin
Caleb Williams is trying to trademark the nickname “Iceman,” which has unofficially belonged to George Gervin for decades. Can new stars reintroduce nicknames to a new generation, or is it disrespectful to the legends?
Marilyn Dubinski: I have a personal bias here because I love Gervin (my dad personally knew him back in the day) and have never liked Williams dating back to his college days at OU and USC. (What kind of “generational” athlete needs to paint “f*** (opponent)” on his fingernails for motivation?) I believe if a nickname and the player associated with it are iconic enough, it should be respected and not taken by new generations, and “The Iceman” fits the bill. Although I never would have guessed Gervin hadn’t already trademarked it after all these years, leaving the door open for this to happen. (As a side note, how does the Chicago Bears fanboy Tim Duncan feel about all this? Too bad he’s the silent type.)
Bill Huan: I have no idea why a nickname needs to be trademarked. Most of the time, fans are the ones who invent and popularize them, and it doesn’t make any sense to gatekeep them as your own. A logo and/or brand? Maybe. But just a nickname? Insane. This doesn’t have anything to do with it being Gervin, either — imagine if LeBron did the same thing. Would we need to come up with another word for the male leads of royal families? This is pretty ridiculous in my eyes, and Devon put it best below: “the nickname is a gift of honor from fans, not a possession.”
Devon Birdsong: I admittedly have a particular soft spot for George Gervin, as we share a birthday. My grandmother used to tell me that so often that I knew about it years before the Spurs won a title, and long before I’d bothered to check if anyone else did. That being said, I actually don’t mind if another player reuses a nickname, provided they’re given it by the fans. I wouldn’t want to share a nickname, were I in that position, but that’s me. However, I also don’t believe that a player should be able to trademark a nickname in the first place. The nickname is a gift of honor from fans, not a possession. And I think it’s disrespectful to both fans and former players to treat it as such, especially if a previous bearer happens to be a Hall of Famer. I’m actually pretty concerned about what kind of precedent this could set for the sporting world at large if Williams is able to trademark the nickname. Imagine if Earl ‘The Pearl’ Monroe or Hakeem ‘The Dream’ Olajuwon suddenly had to file for trademark protection. The wrong result in this situation could start a trademark avalanche.
Jeje Gomez: I’m not against reusing a nickname in principle, if there’s enough reverence to the person who first popularized it and there’s a connection between the two people sharing it. For example, it’s a common practice in Argentine soccer for fans to use the same nickname for two people from different eras who share a last name, so if Caleb Williams were called Caleb Gervin and had expressed admiration for The Iceman, I think it would be fine for him to lean into it. That’s not the case here, though, as it’s not unofficial or an homage. By trademarking it, Williams is essentially taking ownership of the nickname while disregarding the person who previously had it. It’s just a bad look.
The League has seen records being broken recently, with Bam Adebayo’s 83-point game, the second-highest scoring game in NBA history, as the latest example. Are we approaching an era when the numbers don’t matter anymore because the NBA has changed too much?
Dubinski: I wouldn’t say the numbers don’t matter; we’d be rejoicing if a Spur did this and rejecting any notion that it somehow counts less because of the opponent or how the final minutes of getting there went. (It was still against an NBA team, just one that was tanking and decided way too late that it wouldn’t happen on their watch.) That being said, I don’t believe we are reaching an era where something like that will suddenly become semi-normal, especially from players who aren’t generational scorers. The style of play today is too unselfish; most coaches still won’t leave their stars out there if the game is a blowout, and if Adam Silver can ever get a grip on tanking, which he’ll try to do again this summer, there won’t be pathetic enough match-ups for this to happen again in the manner it did.
Huan: It’s disingenuous to say that numbers don’t matter. Rather, they should be used with context in mind, and that should be the default way we discuss history as a whole. For example, Kon Knueppel might make 280+ threes in his rookie season, a mark Steph never hit until his 7th campaign when he won his first MVP. Does that mean Knueppel’s a better shooter? Of course not! But it also doesn’t mean that we can just discount what Knueppel’s doing because of the era he plays in. We just need to contextualize things, and the good news is that the NBA community is doing a better job of that with stats and era-adjustments becoming more and more advanced.
Birdsong: I think era-adjusted advanced stats are going to become more and more important, but I also know that this is just what the NBA does, alternating between eras of offense and defense. Oddly, I think the league schedule and the resting of players have pushed people towards rate-based stats already, and that’s half the battle. There definitely needs to be more of a point of emphasis on pre and post three-point scoring, but I think a lot of people are already there. This is not dissimilar to the way NFL fans have adjusted to entries on the all-time passing lists. If anything, the current statistical inflation has only strengthened the legacies of players like Dan Marino and Michael Jordan.
Gomez: More concerning than Adebayo’s 83-point game are the career scoring and three-point shooting records, in my opinion. The popularization of three-point shooting will inevitably result in several amazing shooters from past eras falling in the all-time list. The three-heavy modern game, along with a high pace, could have a similar effect on the all-time scorers list in a decade or so. We are fine for now, but eventually, checking a list might not tell us as much about who was really a transcendent shooter or scorer as it does now.
Victor Wembanyama is chasing history. What is the record that you think could separate him from the pack and solidify him as one of the best of all time, if he were to get it?
Dubinski: I think whatever it is, it will be on the defensive side of the ball, be it Hakeem Olajuwan’s all-time block total of 3,830 or Mark Eaton’s career average of 3.5 blocks per game. (Go read Mateo Mayorga’s piece on this if you haven’t already.) He could set some offensive records, but I don’t see him being a generational enough scorer or having the longevity to keep up with numbers like LeBron’s. I imagine any offensive records he breaks would be with height caveats, like “most threes by a 7-footer,” or combined with defensive stats, like “first player to average x points, rebounds and blocks,” or something like that.
Huan: It’ll likely be a combination of several stats. In their first 175 games played, Wemby’s made more threes than Steph did and blocked more shots than Hakeem did. We might never see someone who can do both at such a high level, and he could also end his career with the most 5x5s or quadruple-doubles. Whatever sounds most ridiculous will be the thing Wemby somehow achieves.
Birdsong: I think he almost has to go the title route if he’s aiming for GOAT, because he’ll either have to play as long (or longer) than LeBron for the statistical argument, or have a truly Wilt-esque statistical peak. No superstar has exceeded 5 titles since Jordan, and only he and Kareem have gotten more than halfway to Russell. Kareem actually has a pretty solid GOAT argument himself, with 6 titles and 6 MVPS, so if Wemby is able to exceed those while showcasing a lengthy peak, he’ll have an even better argument and will unquestionably go down as one of the very best.
Gomez: There’s no ceiling to Wemby’s career if he stays healthy, so he might end up with multiple MVPs and rings, which would make any specific record unnecessary to make him an all-time great. If I had to pick one that seems attainable even without the best-case scenario, I think it would be to win the most Defensive Player of the Year awards in NBA history. It’s probably the quickest way he can get into the pantheon of greats.
By Jeje Gomez, via Pounding The Rock