[讨论]08年马刺新秀谁能进入轮换~~

George Hill
You have to love the Spurs. They always march to the beat of a different drummer. I sort of like this pick because I think he’s a guy who can really play – and play both the 1 and 2. But is he really better than Mario Chalmers? I don’t think so. I don’t want to second-guess one of the best-drafting teams in the NBA, but I think Chalmers will be a better NBA player.

Goran Dragic(交易给了太阳)
Nice pick for the Spurs, once again. Dragic is a very athletic point guard who is excellent slashing to the basket. He doesn’t have a great jump shot, but he’s put up solid numbers in Europe. He’s a nice player to stash in Europe for a few years.

Malik Hairston(从太阳交易来)
Hairston doesn’t do anything that wows you, but the guy really knows how to play. He can shoot the ball, has an NBA body and is very steady. The Suns were looking for a swingman and I think he actually has enough talent to contribute a bit.

James Gist
Gist is one of the better athletes in the draft. He’s not skilled but he can really fly up and down the floor. A decent D-League project.

以上是Chad Ford的评价

http://www.hoopchina.com/nba/players/georgehill_3180.html
深入分析:乔治-希尔(George Hill)在奥兰多选秀训练营上一跃成为球探们关注的焦点。他来自在篮球界默默无闻的学术名校IUPUI,全称Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis,印第安纳大学-普渡大学印第安纳波利斯联合校区。希尔在训练营上用自己流畅的比赛节奏,出色的身体素质让人留下深刻印象,尤其是快捷的第一步,让球探们津津乐道。希尔在面对强大的对手时依然能够保持良好的比赛控制力,而且几天下来投篮非常稳定,这会让他锁定一个二轮。现在的问题是,希尔还没有雇佣经纪人,而且他的主教练非常期待着他的返校。

乔治-希尔(George Hill)图片

体测数据:
赤脚身高:1.86米(6英尺1.25英寸)
穿鞋身高:1.89米(6英尺2.5英寸)
臂展:2.06米(6英尺9英寸)
站立摸高:2.48米(8英尺1.5英寸)
体脂含量:3.0%(本届第一)
原地垂直弹跳:86.4厘米
最大垂直弹跳:95.3厘米
185磅卧推:9次
底线折返跑:12.20秒
3/4场冲刺:3.07秒

[资料整理:mousebaby,2008年6月]

NBADRAFT评分91分,排在09年选秀次轮第三位,顺便说下今年意外退出的Darren Collison被排在次轮第一位

乔治-希尔(George Hill)图片

优点:一个非常成熟的进攻型球员,依靠出色的技巧和扎实的基本攻,能在球场任何区域得分。拥有惊人的场上效率和很高的投篮命中率(55%FG,45%3PT,81%FT),数据全面(场均21.5分,6.8个篮板,4.3次助攻,1.8次抢断)。他的长臂加上修长身材使得他能做得更棒(相比实际身材)。拥有NBA三分射程,很强的滞空能力和很高的出手点,出手迅速且手感柔和。得分手段一箩筐,能非常漂亮地转身投篮、假动作过人、中距离急停跳投、并拥有比赛胶着时的终结能力。有不俗的控球技术,对于一个出类拔萃的得分高手而言,他非常无私,是一个被低估的传球手。出色的篮球智商使得他总能在抢篮板时占据有利位置并在防守端站位很好。

乔治-希尔(George Hill)图片

缺点:目前(大学)他更多地打SG位置,但是他的身材决定了在高一级的赛场上(NBA)需要转型PG,至少是双能卫。在遭受压迫防守时,他的场均控球失误达2.9次。而且平均水准的运动能力、启动速度的欠缺使得他在场上主导球权时可能会遇到麻烦。他的身高和速度在防守大号后卫的时候也是个问题。尽管在和强队比赛时他表现出色,但IUPUI(他的大学)处于小联盟,这会影响他的选秀前景。

备注:因为脚伤,他错过了大二赛季的大部分比赛。并有传言称他一直脚上带着伤后固定螺钉在打球,这毫无疑问会是一个隐患。

[资料整理:牛顿的APPLE,2008年6月]

George Hill,大三,IUPUI:很多人喜欢他,我也喜欢很多他在双不能卫能做到的点,不过我不确定他是不是应该留下参选。因为这届选秀有太多的双能卫,需求者并不会选择那些在同位置上能力较弱的人,如果他回到INPUI打第五年然后在射程和控球技巧上获得更多进步的话他会是全国顶尖的控球后卫。他已经很接近了,但是今年这个位置的深度或许会让他回到学校。二轮秀。

训练营观察:http://bbs.hoopchina.com/read.php?fid=37&tid=358005&toread=1

[资料来源:ESPN,资料翻译:I-rabbit,2008年6月]

奥兰多训练营第一天

今天有出色发挥的球员包括Lester Hudson, George Hill, Brian Roberts, Pat Calathes以及Richard Hendrix. 这些球员表现更好的原因是他们的冷静还有比其他人更容易平衡自己的位置。

乔治-希尔(George Hill)图片

奥兰多训练营第二天

第一场比赛我们非常欣赏表现极其老道的George Hill展示自己能力的方式-他的臂展帮助他出色的防守并且很明显他篮球IQ很高,还有出色的外围投射能力。一月份时印地安那步行者球探Kevin Mackey(考虑到他们关系人家对他都很了解)向我们表示“George完全有能力胜任任何一所大学先发球员的角色”,毫无疑问Hill用行动支持了他的观点。

乔治-希尔(George Hill)图片

奥兰多训练营第四天

George Hill展示了为什么在训练营那么多球探看好他的原因。上场24分钟,砍下15分,6次助攻以及仅仅一次失误。进攻端打的得心应手,很好的执行球队的战术,非常自信及时地找到空位的队友。三分线外的表现值得称道,总共7投3中。

[资料来源:DraftExpress,资料翻译:KmenMeme,2008年6月]

Chad Ford的奥兰多训练营观察

乔治-希尔(George Hill)图片

George Hill,后卫,IUPUI大学

希尔是今年的沉睡者(sleeper)。他在大学的数据非常棒,而且展示出了自己有在职业比赛中胜任控球后卫的潜质。他有很好的身高,不错的投篮手感,而且非常镇静。我不认为他能够闯入第一轮,不过我坚信他会被选中。

关键词:沉睡者、大学数据好、PG潜力、身体条件好、很好的投篮手感、老练

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/georgehill.html

NBA Comparison: N/A
Strengths: A very smooth offensive player that is able to score from anywhere on the court relying on his finesse and fundamentals … Has tremendously efficient shooting percentages: 55% FG, 45 % 3PT and 81% FT … Fills the stat sheet in all categories with 21.5 points, 6.8 rebounds, 4.3 assists, and 1.8 steals per game … He’s long and lanky which enables him to play bigger than his actual size … Shows range on his shot out to the NBA 3, has a high and fairly quick release with good balance, and also good elevation … Has a hefty scoring repertoire; including nice spin moves, a deceivingly quick crossover, midrange game with runners and pull ups, and is able finish contested in traffic … Shows decent ball handling skills, and for such a good scorer he is very unselfish and a very underrated passer … His feel for the ball allows him to be in good position for rebounds, as well helping him to be in the right spots on the defensive end …

Weaknesses: He currently plays more of the SG position, however with his height he is projected as a PG or at least a combo guard at the next level … He is turnover prone with 2.9 TOs per and can get out of control with his dribble when he is pressured … While he is a decent athlete, he is nothing spectacular and lacks a first step that may give him trouble playing the lead guard … His size and quickness are also an issue because he will have a hard time defending either guard position because of these shortcomings … The fact that IUPUI plays in a small conference may hurt his stock, although he has played fairly well against the better teams on the schedule …

Notes: During his sophomore season he missed the majority of the year because of a broken foot, and there have been rumors that he is currently playing with screws in that foot, which definitely raises red flags.

http://www.hoopchina.com/nba/players/jamesgist_3152.html
已经签约经纪人Bill Duffy。

本赛季场均16分8板1.3断2.3帽,在篮筐附近纵横驰骋非常有扣篮欲望,凯文-乐福就曾经在赛季开始时被他爆扣过……他已经在大学里尝试转型小前锋,不过目前看来还是半成品啊半成品——场均2.2次三分尝试,命中率仅有31%。

投篮出手点很高,不怎么黄油手,上个赛季球队主将D.J. Strawberry加盟太阳队之后,吉斯特猛然成为球队一号进攻点,因此内线低位进攻得到了很好的锻炼机会。转身跳投成为目前最实用的阵地战进攻武器,而且两个方向都能转,这让他能够比较自如地应对比他更高更大的防守者。

盖帽能力不错,得益于出色的爆发力。脚步速度比大多数内线球员都要快,所以不怎么惧怕对手面筐进攻。可惜体重和身高有限。究竟到了NBA能够发挥几成防守威力,有待考察。

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/jamesgist.html

NBA Comparison: N/A
Strengths: Potential is outstanding, especially in faster paced NBA … Athletically, he can compete with anyone … Dunks with authority often … Runs the fast break very well for a power forward… Great length … Good touch around the basket … Has the potential to be a lock down defender … Very good post defender … Has strong shot blocking instincts … Good footwork in the post… Improving jump shot … Developing ability to play on the perimeter … Incredible on the open floor … Can get on a roll and look like a budding star … Has noticeably improved every year of his collegiate career … Strong free throw shooter …

Weaknesses: Has a tendency to disappear offensively at times … Not ready to play full time on the wing, as he would likely be asked to do… Poor rebounder for his size … Not strong enough to play the four in the NBA, and lacks great height at 6’8" … Very passive overall, doesn’t make his presence felt enough … Must work on consistency and getting open … A bit of a tweener, but has the potential make the transition to a wing player …

至少我们选的球员中有以 Hill 为姓的也有以 Malik 为名的 - -

GIST应该会在DL练一阵吧~~

搞不好没有一个能够

LS的…太悲观了…

。。。。。。。。从技术角度来讲,我觉得George Hill和James Gist都有能力接入马刺的体系。。。。尤其是George Hill,在马刺试训使的表现非常好,一箩筐的得分手段,优秀的进攻意识,替补登场时他不俗的远投能力也能为马努的突破拉开空间(如果马努奥运归来没残的话。。。)。。。。。。。至于James Gist,他的toughness正是马刺所需要的,防守端的意识和意志很符合马刺的胃口,也具备较强的即战力,应该能在马刺的轮换中占有一席之地。。。。。。倒是顺位比他高些的Malik Hairston似乎没有太鲜明的advantages,也不知是否ready,有可能被下放到NBDL。。。不过作为SF他的篮板不错,而且比较幸运的是马刺在这个位置比较缺人。。所以也可能有个5,6分钟的出场时间。。。。。。
。。。。。。。。。但对于James Gist我还有一点疑虑,就是在选秀报告中没有提到他的篮球智商。。。万一他是笨人的话。。。。。。就。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。而反观George Hill和Malik Hairston的篮球智商都还是比较为人所称道的。。。。。。
。。。。。。。。。所以这样看来,最稳妥的还是George Hill,至于其他2人,就要看在有限的时间里能否抓住机会表现了。。。。。。。。

我觉得让Hill和Gist进轮换阵容
锋卫摇摆人到自由市场上去找
Hairston放在NBDL练
Mahinmi顶上Horry的空缺

。。。。。。。基本一致的想法。。。。。。。。目前我们的锋卫只有Barry,Manu,Udoka,Bowen四人。。。。如果签不到合适的摇摆人的话,Bowen的出场时间还是得30+。。。。。。Barry场均估计就打个10分钟左右,不足以缓解Manu的压力。。。。个人认为下赛季的Udoka不会比本赛季的Finley差,但其气质决定了他板凳匪徒的身份,难以想象他出任先发SG。。。。如果Pop想要继续让Manu替补出场,同时不让Bowen大叔run out的话,最好找个实力足以首发的摇摆人。。。。。。在这种情况下,Hairston似乎难以胜任。。。。。。。。48顺位选入的人能提供的支持毕竟非常有限,还是先去NBDL练一年吧。。。。。。。。。。。
。。。。。。。。。还有,难道马刺就不准备在C的位置上有点作为吗?!!。。。。。。。。。。

看夏季联赛的表现了

个人对GIST了解不多,不便发表意见,倒是觉得如果HAIRSTON要是能发挥好点的话,可以分担MANU一下,现在FINLY不好出手,留下的可能性不小,除非马刺有个较多人数的交易。毕竟是新人,还都是低顺位的,不可能有什么指望,别让我们过于失望就好了。其实个人很喜欢HILL这个型的,就是觉得传球功力一般,反正马刺球第一时间由邓肯处理,不需要他像KID一样持球分球,能找到空挡传那么几下(准确点的)我就阿弥佗佛了。觉得HILL应该可以作为TP的替补出现,MANU休息的时候个人觉得甚至可以考虑HILL+TP,一个突,一个投,支撑个3-5分钟应该可以,当然这些都是YY,行不行要看POP的意思了。

本人对三位新秀未来的预测:
George Hill-----------美国版Parker
Malik Hairston ------------黑人不帅版Manu
James Gist -------------迷你版Duncan

假如真是这样,o(∩_∩)o…!!!