# \[PtR\] 从马刺战胜独行侠的比赛中我们学到了什么
**URL:** https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/49006
**Category:** 环球刺讯
**Tags:** 2026-27赛季, 米奇-约翰逊, 卢克-科内特, 达龙-福克斯, 维克托-文班亚马, 凯尔登-约翰逊, 斯蒂芬-卡斯尔
**Created:** [2026 年10 月 25 日 15:01 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/49006 "2026-10-25T15:01:08Z")
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### 作者：  [@PtR](https://chinaspurs.com/u/PtR)
#### 发布日期： [2026 年10 月 25 日 15:01 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/49006/1 "2026-10-25T15:01:08Z")
By Jacob Douglas / Pounding The Rock, 2026-10-25 22:32:05
第二节还剩5分53秒时，达拉斯独行侠中锋丹尼尔·加福德抢下一个进攻篮板，完成暴扣，并对主场球迷怒吼庆祝。这记充满激情的进球让独行侠以49-43领先，尽管他们缺少了库珀·弗拉格和凯里·欧文等多名主力。这一幕促使圣安东尼奥马刺主教练米奇·约翰逊 (Mitch Johnson) 请求暂停。
彼时，关于马刺前两场比赛的所有悲观论调似乎都得到了印证。球队看起来迟缓而涣散，着实令人担忧。上赛季那股拼劲和血性去哪儿了？约翰逊在第二节暂停的围圈训话中，或许也向球员们提出了同样的问题。一番激励之后，从板凳席上站起来的已是另一支球队。
暂停过后，圣安东尼奥打出一波25-11的攻势，最终以122-106拿下赛季首胜。
那么，从那一刻起究竟发生了什么改变？一切始于持球点的防守压力。斯蒂芬·卡斯尔、德文·瓦塞尔和达龙·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox) 都贡献了多次抢断，全队迫使对手出现21次失误，并借此得到26分。暂停之后，防守的能量和强度焕然一新。独行侠后场的失误为马刺送上了轻松的快攻机会，点燃了一场得分爆发，最终决定了比赛胜负。仅仅在强度和侵略性上稍作调整，就在比分上产生了巨大差异。
赛季开始以来，圣安东尼奥的球员和教练一直在强调努力和专注。福克斯提到了糟糕的季前赛，米奇·约翰逊则谈到要打出应有的标准，而不是一支努力程度时有时无的球队。令人担忧的是，一支刚经历过总决赛——并在其中错失多场本可赢下的比赛——的球队，依然表现出不稳定的努力程度。但也许这场对阵弱旅的统治级胜利，能把他们从赛季初的迷惘中唤醒。
圣安东尼奥即将迎来赛季初赛程中较为轻松的一段，对手都是上赛季未能打进季后赛的球队。一些统治级的胜利将是这支球队需要的持续回应，也可能标志着这场比赛成为今年这支球队的一个转折点。
#### **要点总结：**
- 圣安东尼奥仍在艰难摸索新的轮换体系。四后卫首发阵容迫使约翰逊改变后卫的轮换安排，目前效果喜忧参半。首发阵容在28分钟内净效率为+1.8，防守表现出色，但进攻摇摇欲坠。随后约翰逊会率先换下福克斯，再让他回来带领第二阵容，与凯尔登·约翰逊、朱利安·尚帕尼、卡特·布莱恩特/哈里森·巴恩斯以及卢克·科内特搭档。样本虽小，但这套阵容在9分钟内净效率低至-77.8。这套阵容缺乏足够的组织能力，最终演变成福克斯大量持球、全队跑位有限、进攻毫无流动性的局面。周六独行侠的几波得分高潮，大多是在这套替补阵容在场时打出的。
- 第二阵容表现如此糟糕的部分原因——也是上赛季季后赛中拖垮圣安东尼奥的原因——正是科内特的发挥。正负值通常不是一个理想的统计数据，但当它与肉眼观察相符时便有参考价值。科内特在14分钟内正负值为-18，投篮2投0中，抢下4个篮板并出现2次失误。赛季开始以来，他既无法在篮下完成终结，护框表现也不尽如人意。马刺第二阵容缺乏创造机会的能力，进一步放大了他的进攻短板；如果他既不能统治篮板，也无法镇守禁区，那么让他留在场上实在难言积极意义。
- 由于科内特陷入挣扎，马刺在第三节开始时派上了新秀小塔里斯·里德 (Tarris Reed Jr.)。这位新秀在4分钟的出场时间里帮助球队打出一波11-4的攻势。里德接瓦塞尔的空接传球拿下个人NBA生涯首分，还抢下一个进攻篮板，最终促成尚帕尼命中三分。他在总共7分钟内得到2分、3个篮板和1次失误。这样的表现，加上科内特的低迷，应该能为这位新秀赢得更多出场时间。教练组是否会像上赛季培养布莱恩特那样逐步增加他的机会，让我们拭目以待。
- 维克托·文班亚马 (Victor Wembanyama) 在对阵达拉斯的比赛中化繁为简，打出了好得多的一场球。他以18投9中、三分6中2的表现砍下全队最高的23分。他主要在挡拆中充当空接威胁，尤其在与福克斯配合时如鱼得水。他仍然投了一些令人抓狂的三分球，但他命中的那些确实都出自进攻体系的正常流动之中。他也是受益于约翰逊第二节训话的球员之一。文班亚马上半场显得迟缓而低迷，但下半场用提升的防守做出了回应。这是朝着正确方向迈出的一步，但我们本赛季还没有看到文班亚马真正打出全面的表现。
- 福克斯是周六晚上的马刺MVP。他11投6中得到19分，外加9次助攻和3次抢断。他在挡拆中表现出色，与文班亚马的化学反应日渐成熟。他在进攻体系的流动中出手并命中投篮。在这些以后卫为主的新阵容中，他或许是适应得最好的马刺球员。
- 卡斯尔的投篮能力可能是真的。这位三年级后卫赛季至今三分命中率达到37.9%，场均出手9.7次。周六他三分8投3中。对手大多会放空他，而他在运球后出手三分时依然挣扎，但只要脚步站稳，他的投篮姿势相当漂亮。如果本赛季他能成为36%以上的三分射手，马刺就能更从容地让他与哈珀和福克斯同时登场。
- 凯尔登·约翰逊重新打出了上赛季让他大放异彩的高能量角色。他在26分钟内得到7分和6个篮板，其中4个是前场篮板。当约翰逊在转换进攻中全力冲击篮筐、积极拼抢篮板时，他总能处于最佳状态。
_由生成式 AI 翻译，翻译内容可能不准确或不完整，以原文为准。_
> **查看原文：What we learned from the Spurs win over the Mavericks**
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> ## What we learned from the Spurs win over the Mavericks
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> With 5:53 left in the second quarter, Dallas Mavericks center Daniel Gafford grabbed an offensive rebound, dunked it home, and screamed at his home crowd. The energy play gave the Mavs a 49-43 lead, despite missing several key starters like Cooper Flagg and Kyrie Irving. That play prompted a timeout from San Antonio Spurs head coach Mitch Johnson.
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> At that point, all of the doom and gloom about the Spurs’ first two games seemed warranted. The team looked sluggish and disengaged in a genuinely worrisome way. What happened to the fire and spunk this team played with last season? Johnson may have asked them the same question in the huddle during that second-quarter timeout. A different team emerged from the bench after the pep talk.
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> San Antonio responded with a 25-11 run after the timeout, leading to their first win of the season, 122-106.
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> So what changed after that point? It started with defensive pressure at the point of attack. Stephon Castle, Devin Vassell, and De’Aaron Fox all had multiple steals as the team forced 21 turnovers, leading to 26 points off them. The energy and intensity on defense changed after the timeout. The Mavericks’ backcourt mistakes led to easy runouts for the Spurs, igniting a scoring explosion that inevitably won the game. Just a tweak in intensity and aggression made a major difference on the scoreboard.
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> To start the season, San Antonio’s players and coaches have talked a lot about effort and focus. Fox cited a bad preseason, and Mitch Johnson talked about playing up to a standard and not being a team that just flips the effort switch on and off. It’s concerning that a team coming off an NBA Finals in which they blew multiple winnable games is still showing inconsistent effort. But maybe a dominant win against a team they are supposed to beat will wake them up from this early-season stupor.
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> San Antonio is entering an easier part of their early-season schedule with games against teams that failed to make the playoffs last year. Some dominant wins would be the type of continued response this team needs, and could signal this game as a turning point for this year’s squad.
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> #### **Takeaways:**
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> - San Antonio is still struggling to figure out its new rotation. The four-guard starting lineup has forced Johnson to change how he staggers his guards. The results thus far have been mixed. The starting lineup has a +1.8 net rating in 28 minutes, with the defense looking great and the offense shaky. Johnson has then taken Fox out first and brought him back in to run the second unit with Keldon Johnson, Julian Champagnie, Carter Bryant/Harrison Barnes, and Luke Kornet. Small sample size here, but that lineup has a net rating of -77.8 in 9 minutes. The group simply needs more playmaking to succeed. It ultimately turns into Fox dominating the ball with limited movement, and no offensive flow. The bench lineup was on the floor for most of Dallas’ scoring runs on Saturday.
> - Part of what has made those second-unit lineups look so bad, and what killed San Antonio in the playoffs last year, has been the play of Kornet. Plus-minus is not usually a great stat, but it can be helpful when it matches the eye test. Kornet was -18 in 14 minutes, going 0-2 from the field, grabbing 4 rebounds and recording 2 turnovers. He has not finished in the paint, nor protected the rim well to start this season. His offensive limitations are exacerbated by the Spurs’ lack of second-unit creation, and if he’s not crushing the glass or holding down the paint, it’s hard to find a lot of positives in having him out there.
> - With Kornet struggling, the Spurs went to the rookie, Tarris Reed, to start the third quarter. The rookie helped the team go on an 11-4 run in his 4-minute stint. Reed scored his first NBA bucket on a lob from Vassell, and snatched an offensive rebound that eventually led to a Champagnie three-pointer. He had 2 points, 3 rebounds, and a turnover in 7 total minutes. That performance, and Kornet’s struggles, should earn the rookie some more minutes moving forward. We’ll see if the coaching staff gradually increases his opportunities as they did for Bryant last season.
> - Victor Wembanyama had a much better game by keeping things simple against Dallas. He led the team in scoring with 23 points on 9-for-18 shooting, making 2 of his 6 three-pointers. He mainly served as a lob threat in the pick-and-roll, particularly thriving when running the action with Fox. He still took some frustrating three-pointers, but the ones he made genuinely came within the flow of the offense. He was also one of the players who benefitted from Johnson’s second-quarter pep talk. Wembanyama looked a step slow and lethargic in the first half, but responded with improved defense in the second. It was a step in the right direction, but we still haven’t seen Wembanyama put it all together this season.
> - Fox was the Spurs MVP on Saturday night. He had 19 points on 6-for-11 shooting, adding 9 assists and 3 steals. He was fantastic in the pick-and-roll, developing chemistry with Wembanyama. He’s taking and making shots within the flow of the offense. He may be thriving more than any of Spur in these new guard-heavy lineups.
> - Castle’s shooting may be real. The third-year guard is now shooting 37.9% from three on 9.7 attempts to start the season. He went 3-for-8 from deep on Saturday. Teams are leading him open for the most part, and he still struggles to shoot threes off the dribble, but when his feet are set, his shot looks good. If he becomes a 36%+ shooter this season, he’ll make it easier for the Spurs to play him alongside Harper and Fox.
> - Keldon Johnson was back to playing the high-energy role that made him so successful last season. He had 7 points and 6 rebounds, 4 of them offensive, in his 26 minutes. Johnson continues to be at his best when he is driving hard to the cup in transition and crashing the boards.
By Jacob Douglas / [Pounding The Rock](https://www.poundingtherock.com/spurs-analysis/108822/what-we-learned-from-the-spurs-win-over-the-mavericks)
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### 作者：  [@PtR](https://chinaspurs.com/u/PtR)
#### 发布日期： [2026 年10 月 25 日 22:05 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/49006/2 "2026-10-25T22:05:09Z")
## 💬热评
> [@Veggiedelite](#):
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> 我了解到这支球队在执行力和积极性两方面都有所欠缺。阵容安排限制了包括哈珀、KJ（凯尔登·约翰逊）和朱利安在内的多名球员。这些球员都在扮演着限制自身产出、损害球队的角色。哈珀是首发，但在首发阵容中几乎碰不到球。KJ替补登场后只能站在底角。朱利安得不到空位出手机会，因为替补阵容无法创造出他过去大快朵颐的那种空位机会。更糟糕的是，从季前赛到常规赛，他们一直显得无精打采。比赛进行到中途的某个时刻，米奇终于忍无可忍，叫了暂停，狠狠训斥球员要更努力地打球。之后他们确实做到了，并且基本完成了任务。你不能既用阵容自我设限，又不努力打球。联盟竞争太激烈了。如果我们这样打球，每支球队都有足够的天赋击败马刺。
> [@zhouprodigy](#):
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> 那次暂停真的是转折点。尤其是加福德那记扣篮，可能是我对这支球队最感到恶心的一次，特别是文班，偏偏就在一米之内，却对篮板和得分毫无反应。
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> 凯尔登充满活力，是少数让我略感欣慰的球员之一。他的得分大幅下降，但效率不错，而且每当有争抢篮板的对抗时，他看起来是唯一意识到自己面对的是一群“他替谁打球都行”式球员的球队的人。尽管触球次数减少，他依然在影响比赛。
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> 不过，福克斯可能是最让我骄傲的。对于一个不关注社交媒体的人来说，他是那个打得像要证明什么的人，而且该死，他确实在证明。
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> 我理解因为对手是独行侠而不必太兴奋的观点，但我认为马刺最终做到了他们应该做的事，这是好事。如前所述，花了那么长时间确实令人担忧，但也许这正是他们建立势头、提醒自己所需水准的契机。人人都有天赋。要想成为最好的，你必须有把天赋推向极致的心态。
> [@SpursDynasty4\_12](#):
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> 哦，杰伦·威廉姆斯的伤病太可怕了！该死！可怜的孩子，刚从伤病缠身的赛季中走出来。(:
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> > [@\#8 in the Rafters](#):
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> > 我上来看看有没有人开始聊这个，我惊呆了，太可怕了，让我恶心，看到他队友们的反应我几乎情绪崩溃。就体育而言，这真是最令人心碎的方式。我“体育层面”讨厌雷霆，但永远、永远不想看到这样的事情。
> [@Tavr4life](#):
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> 文班似乎还没有从那轮残酷的总决赛中在情感和心理上恢复过来。希望那种宿醉般的感觉能尽快消退。不能现在就已经精疲力竭了。
> [@camroc1](#):
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> 如果哈里斯康复了，而米奇想让他首发，那就让哈珀去把第二阵容变得更有凝聚力、更有效率。在那之前，把朱尔斯放进首发阵容，并且让哈珀去把第二阵容变得更有凝聚力、更有效率。
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> 科内特缺乏5英尺以外的投篮能力，正在堵塞进攻。看着让人既混乱又沮丧。多给新人一些时间。
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> 布莱恩特在场上很多时候显得迷失，需要更多比赛来学会如何有效打球。如果这意味着要在G联赛待一段时间，那就去吧。我宁愿忍受那个，也不愿再看这种三后卫“你打我来我打你”的胡闹。
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> 一支打进过总决赛的球队——尽管收官能力有很大问题——不需要彻底推倒重来。所以拜托，米奇，唤醒你内心的波波。理清这些问题，让球队顺畅运转。驯服自我、把最好的整体阵容派上场，这是你的责任。
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> 否则这很可能是一个漫长而最终令人沮丧的赛季。不像雷霆，甚至可能不像火箭，我们看起来远远没有准备好。差得远。
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> 好了。我现在感觉好一点了。
> [@Newmexican](#):
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> 我感谢这场胜利，但赢球并不等于打得好。
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> 我知道现在还早，所以不必悲观绝望，只是再次看到他们打得糟糕令人担忧。一支残阵独行侠和他们缠斗了三节。
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> 这篇文章的亮点在于，落后6分之后需要教练去激励球员。这让我很不舒服。那种斗志需要燃烧在每一个球员的内心深处。以他们的水准，不应该需要教练吼叫才能让他们打得更好。
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> 我相信球员们最终能调整好，因为他们有天赋，但在NBA所有球队都有天赋，是心和斗志把球队推向顶峰。
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> GSG！（加油马刺！）
> [@Pete\_Sydney](#):
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> 我等了3场比赛才来评论。以下是我对前3场比赛的观察：
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> **维克（C+）**
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> 维克3场比赛送出12次盖帽，但也被盖了6次：切特+马拉 / 阿门+申京 / 里萨谢+加福德——我不记得维克有过被盖得如此频繁的一段比赛。和许多Pounders（本站网友）一样，我怀疑维克是不是出了什么状况。他的体能更好了——看起来不喘——但他展现统治力的意愿似乎确实存在。他没有勉强出手三分，但他的三分依然糟糕。更糟的是，他的防守轮转真的不够敏锐。注意力不集中？决策肯定有问题。
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> **迪伦（B-）**
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> 迪伦的数据不错，但直观印象有些不同。他有多少次漏掉了空位传球（尤其是传给维克），然后自己冲向篮筐？一旦迪伦能更好地阅读球场，他会成为全明星。
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> **斯蒂芬（B+）**
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> 与维克不同，斯蒂芬在压制对手方面没有退步。他的远投仍在打磨中，他还需要更好地“搞定裁判”来获得一些哨子，但总体来说攻防两端开局不错。
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> **福克斯（A-）**
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> 健康时，福克斯依然是顶级控卫。他在防守端的活跃（抢断）很好。进攻端他在合适的时机把传球和得分结合了起来。
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> **德文（C）**
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> 让德文打“4号位”对他没有帮助。他的投篮姿势看起来相当不错，但球就是不进，而投篮正是他应该带给这支球队的东西。当他不得不防守更强壮的球员时，这会消耗他，似乎也影响了他的节奏。
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> **朱利安（B-）**
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> 很难评价，他还在适应替补角色。
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> **卢克（D）**
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> 可能是目前为止最大的失望。他的季后赛表现看起来像是一次异常，但他的影响力反而比去年六月更差了。才打了3场，里德已经是更好的选择了！
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> **KJ（C）**
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> 同样的大心脏，同样的缺陷。难以相信他是卫冕最佳第六人。他更像是8-10人轮换的球员。
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> **米奇（C）**
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> 我理解让最好的4名球员首发的想法：维克、斯蒂芬、福克斯和迪伦，但在团队运动中，整体之和需要大于简单相加。3场比赛过后，我们最好的4名球员并没有让彼此变得更好，恰恰相反。光看失误数就说明一切。米奇和多诺万需要非常迅速地重新思考谁该进首发、谁该进替补。我们不能等到全明星周末之后才搞清楚。
>
> 我的建议：
>
> 首发五人：维克 - 哈里斯 - 朱利安 - 斯蒂芬 - 福克斯
>
> 第二阵容：里德 - CB（卡特·布莱恩特） - KJ - DV（德文·瓦塞尔） - 哈珀
> [@spiceymeatball](#):
>
> 文班的情绪状态一直有些不对劲，我想我正在弄明白。（谁知道呢？）
>
> 凯尔登、尚帕尼和德文都在各自明确的角色中持续打出出色的比赛。正如大家注意到的，科内特已经变成了负资产。
>
> 在我看来，三后卫阵容之所以有问题，是因为不清楚厨房里的主厨是谁。米奇和比利怎么看？我相信这套阵容有可能奏效，但那种“让三个人自由发挥、自己摸索或找到集体节奏”的简单思路行不通。就连双后卫阵容看起来也有问题，也许是因为哈珀本是个得分后卫，却被要求开始像控卫那样打球。在经典的长期培养目标下，他完全可能成长为一名非常优秀的控卫。但当他和卡斯尔或福克斯其中一人或两人同时在场时，就存在一种竞争压力，要弄清楚该轮到谁担任主要组织者。而哈珀似乎在比赛的部分时段退居幕后等待自己的机会。而那个机会 inevitably 就是得分。
>
> 看数据，福克斯已经转变为后卫中主要的组织者角色。他的出手次数明显少于哈珀、卡斯尔和文班这三人。于是卡斯尔的角色发生了转变，坦白说，我不认为他对这个角色感到自在确定。他在尝试组织（哈珀也是），所以并非完全退回原样，但这种运作毫无感觉或节奏。真是一团乱麻。难怪文班情绪低落。
>
> > [@BuckeyeBlueSpur](#):
> >
> > 我不确定维克是否度过了一个有成效的休赛期。总决赛打到了六月中旬。马刺的深度季后赛之旅意味着维克可能已经精疲力竭。然后他还为法国国家队效力。接着在赛季结束仅3个月后就回到了训练营。我无法想象他有足够的时间休息，真正进行力量训练并拓展自己的进攻。除此之外，本赛季每支球队都会冲击他。马刺是众矢之的。这对任何人来说都是很大的负担。
>
> > [@spurs2003](#):
> >
> > 他们必须在首发阵容中插入一名能抢篮板、能为维克分担压力的真正大前锋。在我看来，这是长期成功的路线图。我们在总决赛中打这种小个阵容、把太多担子压在维克身上，已经暴露了问题。教练组必须信任并培养替补，直到季后赛能依靠他们。做这件事的最佳时机是赛季初段，但到目前为止我们还没有看到。
> >
> > 卡特和里德的出场时间太少了。
>
> > [@RedFirebird](#):
> >
> > 文班的问题在于，我认为 **文班很沮丧** 。我在之前的帖子中提到过。这不仅仅是总决赛失利的宿醉。他的队友们都想首发，理由充分，但对球队不利。这是一个需要解决的困境。
>
> > [@Karula](#):
> >
> > > 文班的情绪状态一直有些不对劲，我想我正在弄明白。（谁知道呢？）
> >
> > 确实谁知道呢。但他承受的压力和公众审视，超出了任何凡人22岁所能承受的范围。而且我确信，没有人比文班自己给文班施加的压力更大。幸运的是，他似乎从队友那里得到了很多情感支持和情谊。希望一段低压力的比赛期正是医生所开的药方，能让他重新享受比赛、打出最佳状态。
> >
> > > [@Morethanagame](#):
> > >
> > > 我认为打进总决赛带来的情感和身体消耗依然存在。它真的会掏空你。
> [@CristianS21](#):
>
> 三后卫和单后卫阵容都很糟糕。尤其是带替补的单后卫阵容。
>
> 理想数字是2。两名高水平后卫配合得很好。1名在进攻端很糟，尤其是没有文班时。3名在防守端很糟。
>
> 在首发阵容中，朱尔斯是第5好的球员。而在某些替补阵容中，搭配一名后卫、KJ、科内特和巴恩斯/布莱恩特，可以说他是第2好的球员。这对他来说不是个好角色。他没有被放在能成功的位置上。
>
> 德文也必须做得更多，作为指定的“4号位”。有时在我看来他已经精疲力竭了。而且他在前两场比赛中都陷入犯规麻烦，我不记得他去年任何一场比赛有过这种情况。他也意识到自己是那个阵容里的“指定射手”，在我看来他一直在勉强出手一些糟糕的投篮。
>
> 阵容不平衡是因为轮换不同步。而这一切都源于一个简单的变动。哈珀到目前为止表现也不好。我知道他得分不错，但我感觉不到他在影响比赛。他一直犹豫不决，在几次突破中他似乎停下来环顾四周，不确定该做什么，是该强行进攻还是把球传给另外三名顶级球员之一。去年对他来说更简单，因为那些人里有一两个坐在替补席上。
>
> 在所有人中，福克斯是前3场比赛中表现最好的。两个健康的脚踝能带来这样的效果，真令人惊讶。班切罗刚遭遇高位脚踝扭伤，要缺席4-6周。
> [@spiceymeatball](#):
>
> 这是这篇文章末尾的评论了，我已经深呼吸过了。现在就对米奇和比利的阵容下判断为时过早。我实际上能看到三后卫策略在比赛的某些时段奏效。对我来说，问题不在于此，而在于需要承载一支球队、并在整个赛季提供稳定性的进攻哲学和身份认同。让我们看看接下来几场比赛会如何发展。
>
> 有一点是肯定的：卡特·布莱恩特需要获得更多出场时间。他会犯错，但让他通过比赛去成长。
> [@the\_admiral](#):
>
> 我在另一个帖子里说过，但会在这里再说一遍，也许会更清楚地解释我的理由
>
> 马刺需要交易达龙·福克斯——不是因为他是个糟糕的球员或者表现不佳，他很出色——而是因为我们的天才后卫太多了。如果我们用福克斯换回一名天赋异禀、低使用率的3D大前锋（特雷·墨菲是我的例子，我相信还有其他人），我认为这会让我们走上触及上限所需的道路（不一定是今年，而是在未来1-2年内）
>
> 篮球比赛不是在纸面上打的。自我意识是真实存在的，不确定或不断变化的角色会限制一支球队的潜力
>
> 我真心相信，现在尝试交易福克斯符合马刺的长期最佳利益。在那之前，球队会处于某种停滞状态。再说一次，不是因为我讨厌福克斯——我其实非常欣赏他的球风，也喜欢他的性格——但归根结底，篮球是一门生意。
>
> 没有人能现实地期望福克斯或哈珀中的任何一人回到替补席，我也不认为因此责怪他们中的任何一个、或者说他们因为相信自己和能力就不是好马刺是公平的
>
> 三后卫阵容（加上文班加上某球员X）限制了这支球队的上限——我们的天赋可能会占上风，我们今年也许会打得非常非常好，但从长远来看这不是对我们最好的。
>
> 我很乐意看到我们在未来几年争夺多个总冠军，而我认为交易福克斯是让我们走上这条道路的最佳方式——我可以等到找到合适的交易再行动，不急于求成，但我确实认为马刺应该认真探索他们的选择
> [@Fkj](#):
>
> 说得好，简洁明了，JD。
>
> 我的观点：
>
> 1. 15次失误，罚球命中率接近70%，太多了，不够好。对阵更强的球队就会输。
>
> 2. 到目前为止，这支球队没有打出上赛季那种斗志和强度，尤其是维克，这与三后卫阵容无关。是厌倦了？分心了？？这是个问题，因为他能量的有无影响着整支球队。
>
> 3. 说到阵容。如果我们继续沿用（看起来我们会），那就把朱尔斯放进首发，让德文加入第二阵容。他可以成为第二组织点。
>
> 4. 卢克看起来更重更慢了。而且他似乎拿不住球。一些“霸王龙式”的短时间出场也许对他和球队都有帮助。
>
> 5. 哪怕只是为了士气，我们也需要这场胜利。但我对我们的强度深感担忧。
>
> 6. 附赠一条……这支球队太年轻了，不该对常规赛感到厌倦。振作起来吧伙计们，你们不能靠上赛季的成功赢得这个赛季。
> [@whales2](#):
>
> 看文班打球非常令人沮丧。
>
> 他需要更多地打低位……哪怕是转身跳投什么的……
>
> 看到他投篮命中率只有40%真是让人难受……
>
> 而且他每场比赛的篮板必须超过11个……
> [@doggydogworld](#):
>
> 是的，塔里斯确实提供了火花。我为科内特感到难过，但NBA是无情的。
>
> 我不能把这称为一场统治级的胜利。统治级的第四节，没错，但在还剩11分30秒时比分只差1分。
>
> 而且我不同意卡斯尔达到36%的三分命中率就能疏通内线的说法。只要能完全无视他、去包夹维克，各队会很乐意让他每回合得1.08分。只有当他接近45%时，才会变得难以承受。别跟我说“那太荒谬了，连另一个斯蒂芬（库里）都投不到45%”。如果库里经常被放得那么空，他能投出75%以上。当然，这正是没人敢放空他的原因。卡斯尔显然不必达到那个级别，但36%改变不了什么。
> [@SteelersnSpursfan](#):
>
> 最让我印象深刻的一点是，联盟在文班弄懂联盟之前就先弄懂了文班。每当他杀入内线，防守者只需要站好位置，掐准他的起跳时机，然后干扰或封盖投篮。他身高8英尺11英寸（约2米72）也没用，篮筐依然是10英尺高，这给了防守者一个可预判的防守点。
>
> 本赛季，我们也许终于能看到文班真正的成长轨迹。他会继续提升比赛、成为进攻端具有统治力的球员吗，还是说这就是他职业生涯余下的进攻上限？目前，他的进攻风格更接近拉尔夫·桑普森或肖恩·布拉德利，而不是凯文·加内特或杜兰特。所幸他的防守如此超凡脱俗，无论如何都足以让他在联盟效力15年以上。
>
> 这听起来可能像是更应该为文班担心的理由，但我并不担心。相反，这意味着卡斯尔和哈珀的舞台更大了，他们应该有更多得分机会。在我看来，如果事情按我预期发展，我们可能成为继勇士之后又一支拥有三名场均20+得分球员的球队：汉普顿五虎和TMC（Run-TMC）。
>
> 归根结底，文班需要开发更柔和的出手方式，比如天勾和抛投。现在是把这些加入他武器库的时候了，尤其是因为他可以不用起跳就完成这些投篮。
> [@doggydogworld](#):
>
> 卡斯尔上赛季场均获得近6次罚球。今年他只有2次。
>
> 不是每场2次。是总共2次。
> [@eaglemike](#):
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> 在我看来，马刺是自己给自己制造了困难。我看到了多次糟糕的传球、一些欠佳的出手选择、一些执行力不足——就好像他们在丢掉上赛季养成的良好习惯。他们需要收紧执行力和决策。马刺似乎一取得领先就放松、变得散漫，然后砰——达拉斯又追了回来。
>
> 马刺的其他球员也让卢克的日子更难过。有一个回合让我印象深刻，一次强行传给卢克的球根本不可能有好结果。如果我回看比赛，我确信还能找到其他有缺陷的回合。
>
> 年轻人们都拥有出色的运动能力，有时过于依赖这一点。在这种运动天赋之上再加上空间和执行力，胜利会来得更容易。卡斯尔很了不起，但曾有一连串低效的回合就是一个例子。在我看来，他有潜力成为联盟顶级球员之一。
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> 这是一场胜利，但比必要的更艰难。把那些好习惯重新找回来，胜利就会源源不断！
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>
> > [@Veggiedelite](#):
> >
> > I learned the team is lacking both in execution and motivation. The line ups are limiting multiple players including Harper and KJ and Julian. All of these guys are playing roles that are limiting their production and hurting the team. Harper is starting but barely touches the ball with the starters. Kj comes in off the bench just standing in a corner. Julian isn’t getting open looks because the bench doesn’t generate the kind of open looks he feasted on. Worse though is how lackadaisical they’ve looked here all preseason into the regular season. somewhere there in the middle of the game Mitch had had enough and called a timeout and ripped into the guys to play harder. And they did after that and mostly took care of business. You can’t be both self limiting with line ups and not playing hard. The league is too good. Every team is talented enough to beat the spurs if we play that way.
>
> > [@zhouprodigy](#):
> >
> > That timeout was a turning point, for real. That Gafford dunk, in particular, was probably the most I’ve ever been disgusted by this team, especially with Wemby, of all people, being within a foot of the action, and not even making any moves, for the rebound or the score.
> >
> > Keldon, bundle of energy he is, has been one of the few I’m mildly proud of. His scoring is way down, but efficient, and he’s looking like the only one who realized they were facing a team of “Who he play for” players whenever there was a fight for a rebound. He’s making an impact on the game even though his touches are down.
> >
> > Fox, though, is probably who I’m most proud of. For someone who doesn’t pay attention to social media, he is the one playing like he has something to prove, and dammit, is he proving it.
> >
> > I get the viewpoint of not being too excited because it’s the Mavs, but I think that it’s good that the Spurs ultimately did what they were supposed to do, in the end. It’s concerning that it took that long, as noted, but maybe this is what they needed to build some momentum and remind themselves of the level they need to be at. Everyone is talented. You got to have the mentality to push that talent to it’s extremes if you want to be the best.
>
> > [@SpursDynasty4\_12](#):
> >
> > Oh, Jalen Williams injury is awful! Shit! Poor kid, just coming off injury riddled season. (:
> >
> > > [@\#8 in the Rafters](#):
> > >
> > > I came on here to see if anyone had started talking about it, I was floored, it was so terrible, made me sick, I almost got emotional seeing his teammates’ reactions. Just gut wrenching in the most terrible way, as far as sports go of course. I sports-hate me some Thunder, but never EVER want to see anything like that.
>
> > [@Tavr4life](#):
> >
> > Wemby seems like he hasnt recovered yet emotionally and psychologically from that brutal finals. Hopefully that hungover feeling wears off soon. Cant be burnt out already.
>
> > [@camroc1](#):
> >
> > If Harris ever gets well and Mitch wants him to start, then let Harper make the 2nd unit more cohesive and effective. Until then, put Jules in the starting lineup AND LET HARPER MAKE THE 2ND UNIT MORE COHESIVE AND EFFECTIVE.
> >
> > Kornet’s lack of shooting outside of 5 feet is clogging up the offense. It’s discombobulating and frustrating to watch. Give the new guy more minutes.
> >
> > Bryant seems lost a lot of his time on the court and needs to play more to learn how to play effectively. If that’s in the G-league for a while, so be it. I’d much rather suffer that than more of this 3 guard you-take-it-I-got-it nonsense.
> >
> > A finals team–albeit one that had much trouble finishing–doesn’t need to be drastically reinvented. So come on, Mitch, channel your inner Pop. Sort this out and get this team functioning smoothly. It’s on you to tame egos and put the best overall team on the floor.
> >
> > Otherwise it’s likely going to be a long and ultimately frustrating season. Unlike OKC and maybe even the Rockets, we just don’t look near ready. Not even close.
> >
> > There. I feel a little better now.
>
> > [@Newmexican](#):
> >
> > I appreciate the win but winning does not equate to playing well.
> >
> > I know it’s early so it’s not gloom and doom, it’s just concerning to see them play poorly again. A depleted Mavs team hung with them for 3 quarters.
> >
> > The highlight of this article is that it took the coach to fire up the players after going down by 6. That does not settle well with me. Those fires need to be burning from within each and every player. At their level they should not need a coach to yell at them to get them to play better.
> >
> > I have confidence in the players to get it together eventually as they are talented but in the NBA all teams have talent, the heart and the fire rise teams to the top.
> >
> > GSG!
>
> > [@Pete\_Sydney](#):
> >
> > I waited 3 games before commenting. So here are my observations over the first 3 games:
> >
> > **Vic (C+)**
> >
> > Vic has had 12 blocks but got also blocked 6 times in 3 games: Chet + Mara / Amen + Sengun / Risacher + Gadford - I can’t remember a stretch of games where Vic has been so often blocked. Like many Pounders, I wonder if something is going on with Vic. His stamina is better - he doesn’t look gassed - but his will to assert dominance does seem there. He is not taking ill-timed 3s but his 3s are still bad. But worse, his defensive rotations are really not sharp. Lack of focus? Poor decision-making for sure.
> >
> > **Dylan (B-)**
> >
> > Dylan’s numbers are good but the visual impression is somewhat different. How many open passes (to Vic especially) has he missed before slashing to the hoop? Once Dylan can read the floor better, he’ll be an All-Star.
> >
> > **Steph (B+)**
> >
> > Unlike Vic, Steph has not lost a step when it comes to bullying his opponents. His long shots are still work in progress, he still needs to “work officials” better to get some calls, but overall good start of the season on both ends of the floor
> >
> > **Fox (A-)**
> >
> > When healthy, Fox is still a top PG. His activity on the defensive end (steals) has been good. On the offensive end he has mixed passing and scoring at the right time.
> >
> > **Devin (C)**
> >
> > Playing Dev at the “4” is not helping him. His shooting form has looked rather good but shots aren’t falling which is what he is supposed to bring to this team. When he has to guard stronger players, it takes a toll on him and seems to impact his rhythm.
> >
> > **Julian (B-)**
> >
> > Hard to judge, he is still adapting to a bench role.
> >
> > **Luke (D)**
> >
> > Probably the biggest disappointment so far. His playoffs performance looked like an abnormality but instead his impact is even worse than last June. Reed is already a better option after 3 games!
> >
> > **KJ (C)**
> >
> > Same big heart, same flaws. Hard to believe he is the reigning 6th man of the year. He is more like a 8-10 man rotation player.
> >
> > **Mitch (C)**
> >
> > I understand the idea of starting our 4 best players: Vic, Steph, Fox and Dylan but in team sports. the sum of the parts needs to be greater than the arithmetic. After 3 games, our best 4 players do not make each other better, quite the opposite. Just a look at turnovers says it all. Mitch and Donovan need to rethink very quickly which players should make the first unit and which ones should be in the second one. We can’t figure this out after the All-Star break.
> >
> > My suggestion:
> >
> > starting five: Vic - Harris - Julian - Steph - Fox
> >
> > 2nd unit: Reed - CB - KJ - DV - Harper
>
> > [@spiceymeatball](#):
> >
> > Something has been off about Wemby’s emotional disposition that I think I’m figuring out. (Who knows?)
> >
> > Keldon, Champagnie, and Devin have all been playing consistently excellent ball in their well defined respective roles. As everyone’s noticed, Kornet has turned into a liability.
> >
> > The 3 guard lineup is having problems in my opinion because it is unclear who the main chef in the kitchen is. How do Mitch and Billy see this? I believe it is possible for this lineup to work, but a simpleton view of letting the three rock and roll out there and figure it out or find their own collective tempo is not working. Even the two guard line ups look problematic, perhaps because Harper is a shooting guard being asked to start playing like a point guard. In a classic development goal over time, he could very well grow into a very good one. But when on the court with either or both of Castle or Fox, there’s a competitive pressure to figure out whose turn it is to act as primary playmaker. And Harper seems to take a back seat for sections of games waiting his turn. And that turn is inevitably to score.
> >
> > Looking at the stats, Fox has shifted into the primary role of table setter amongst the guards. His shooting attempts are markedly less than the other three of Harper, Castle and Wemby. Thus Castle’s role has shifted, and frankly I don’t think he’s comfortably certain in it. He is attempting to distribute (so is Harper) so it’s not a total reversion, but there’s no sense or rhythm in how this is working What a fcking jumble. No wonder Wemby’s depressed.
> >
> > > [@BuckeyeBlueSpur](#):
> > >
> > > I’m not sure Vic was able to have a productive off-season. The finals ran to mid-June. A deep run by SA meant the Vic was probably exhausted. Then he played for the French National team. Then back to training camp 3 months after the season. I can’t imagine he has had the proper time to rest and really work on weight training and work on expanding his offense. On top of that, every team will come after him this season. SA is the team to beat. It’s a lot for anyone.
> >
> > > [@spurs2003](#):
> > >
> > > They have to insert a true PF who can rebound and take some pressure off Vic in the starting line up . It’s the road map to long term success imo . We are exposed in the finals playing this small lineups and putting too much on Vic . Coaching staff has to trust and develop the bench until that they can rely on playoffs . Best time to do that is early part of season but so far we don’t see any .
> > >
> > > Carter and Reed given less minutes .
> >
> > > [@RedFirebird](#):
> > >
> > > What’s off with Wemby is that **Wemby is frustrated** in my opinion. I mentioned it in my earlier posts. It isn’t just a hungover from the loss in the Finals. His teammates all want to start, with good reason, but not good for the team. It’s a dilemma that needs to be solved.
> >
> > > [@Karula](#):
> > >
> > > > Something has been off about Wemby’s emotional disposition that I think I’m figuring out. (Who knows?)
> > >
> > > Who knows indeed. But the pressure & public scrutiny he’s under is more than any mortal 22 year old is built to handle. And I’m sure no one is putting more pressure on Wemby than Wemby. Luckily, it seems he has a lot of emotional support and camaraderie from his teammates. And hopefully a run of lower pressure games will be just what the doctor ordered to get him having fun and playing his best again.
> > >
> > > > [@Morethanagame](#):
> > > >
> > > > I think the emotional and physical toll of going to the Finals still lingers. It really does take it out of you.
>
> > [@CristianS21](#):
> >
> > The 3guard and the 1guard lineups are awful. Especially the 1G with the bench.
> >
> > The ideal number is 2. 2 high level guards work great. 1 is bad on offense, especially if no Wemby. 3 is bad on defense.
> >
> > In the starting lineup, Jules was 5th best player. In some of those bench units, with a guard, KJ, Kornet and Barnes/Bryant, you can argue he’s 2nd best player. That’s not a good role for him. He’s not beeing put in positions to succeed.
> >
> > Devin also has to do more, being the designated “4”. He has looked exausted to me at times. And he was in foul trouble in both the first 2 games, something I don’t recall him beeing last year in any game. He also realizes he’s the “designated shooter” of that group and to me it seems he’s been forcing some bad shots.
> >
> > The lineups are not balanced because the rotations ore out of sync. All because one simple change. And Harper has not looked good so far. I know he’s scoring well, but I don’t feel like he’s impacting the game. He’s been hesitant, and on several drives he seems to stop and look around unsure what to do, if he should force the action or pass to one of the 3 other top level guys. Last year it was simpler for him, because one or two of those guys were on the bench.
> >
> > Out of everyone, Fox has looked the best these first 3 games. Suprinsing what 2 good ankles will do for you. Banchero just had a high ankle sprain, out 4-6 weeks.
>
> > [@spiceymeatball](#):
> >
> > This is at the tail end of this article and I’ve taken a deep breath. It’s too early to pass judgment on Mitch and Billy’s lineups. I can actually seeing the 3 guard gambit working for minutes of a game. It’s less about that issue for me than it is the offensive philosophy and identity that needs to carry a team and provide stability through the season. Let’s see how this plays out. For the next several games.
> >
> > One thing for sure: Carter Bryant needs to be given more minutes. He will make mistakes, but let him play through them.
>
> > [@the\_admiral](#):
> >
> > I said this in another thread but will say it again here and maybe explain my rationale more clearly
> >
> > The Spurs need to trade De’Aaron Fox – not because he is a bad player or because he’s underperforming, he is fantastic – but because we have too many talented guards. If we trade Fox for a talented low usage 3D power forward (Trey Murphy was my example, I’m sure there are others) I think it will put us on the path we need to reach out ceiling (not necessarily this year but over the next 1-2 years)
> >
> > Basketball games aren’t played on paper. Egos are real and having uncertain or constantly changing roles limits a team’s potential
> >
> > I truly believe that it’s in the Spurs best long term interests to try to trade Fox now. The team will be somewhat in limbo until then. Again, not because I dislike Fox - I actually really admire his game and love his character – but at the end of the day basketball is a business.
> >
> > No one can realistically expect either Fox or Harper to go back to the bench, and I don’t think it’s fair to hold that against either of them or say they are bad Spurs for believing in themselves and their abilities
> >
> > The 3 guard lineup (plus Wemby plus player X) limits this teams ceiling – our talent may win out and we may do really really well this year, but it’s not what’s best for us long term.
> >
> > I would love to see us compete for MULTIPLE titles in the coming years and I think trading Fox is the best way to put us on that path – I am okay waiting until we find the right deal and not rushing a trade, but I do believe the Spurs should be seriously exploring their options
>
> > [@Fkj](#):
> >
> > Nice and straight forward JD..
> >
> > My Dime:
> >
> > 1. 15 TOs and near 70% from FT line too many and not good enough. Lose against a better team .
> >
> > 2 . So far this team is not playing with the fire and intensity of last season, specifically Vic, and has nothing to do with 3 guard line up..Is it boredom, distraction, ?? It is a problem as his energy or lack effects the whole team.
> >
> > 1. Speaking of the line up. If we continue with it ,as it seems we will, put Jules in and have Dev be part of 2nd unit. He can be the 2nd creator.
> >
> > 4..Luke seems heavier and slower. Also he cannot seem to hold on to the ball. Some T- rex minutes may help him and the team.
> >
> > 1. We needed that win for vibes if nothing else. But colored me concerned about our intensity.
> > 2. Bonus..This team is too young to be bored with regular season. Get the lead out guys, you are not winning this season on last seasons’ success.
>
> > [@whales2](#):
> >
> > Wemby is very frustrating to watch.
> >
> > He needs to play in the post more… Even if it is turn around jumper or something…
> >
> > It is mortifying to see hom at 40% from the field and stuff…
> >
> > And he has to get above 11 rebounds every game…
>
> > [@doggydogworld](#):
> >
> > Yes, Tarris really provided a spark. I feel bad for Kornet, but the NBA is ruthless.
> >
> > I can’t call this a dominant win. Dominant 4th quarter, sure, but it was a 1 point game with 11:30 left.
> >
> > And I disagree that 36% from Castle will unclog the paint. Teams will gladly give him 1.08 points per possession if it means they can ignore him completely and double Victor. It only becomes too painful when he approaches 45%. And don’t tell me “that’s absurd, even the other Steph doesn’t shoot 45%”. Curry would be 75%+ if regularly left that wide open. Which is why he’s not, of course. Castle doesn’t have to be in that league, obviously, but 36% won’t change things.
>
> > [@SteelersnSpursfan](#):
> >
> > The biggest thing that stood out to me is that the league figured Wemby out before he could figure out the league. Whenever he goes into the paint, defenders simply need to get into position, time his jump, and contest or block the shot. It doesn’t matter that he’s 8’11"; the rim is still 10 feet high, which gives defenders a predictable point to defend.
> >
> > This season, we may finally see Wemby’s true progression. Will he continue elevating his game and become an offensively dominant player, or will this be his offensive ceiling for the rest of his career? Right now, his offensive game is closer to Ralph Sampson or Shawn Bradley than Kevin Garnett or Durant. Thankfully, his defense is so otherworldly that it should keep him in the league for 15-plus years regardless.
> >
> > That might sound like a reason to be more concerned about Wemby, but I’m not. Instead, it means the stage is now bigger for Castle and Harper, and they should have more opportunities to score. In my opinion, if things develop the way I expect, we could become the next team with three 20-plus PPG scorers since the Warriors; the Hamptons Five and TMC.
> >
> > Ultimately, Wemby needs to develop softer shots, such as a skyhook and teardrops. Now is the time to add those to his game, especially because he can shoot them without leaving the ground.
>
> > [@doggydogworld](#):
> >
> > Castle averaged almost 6 FTAs per game last year. This year he has 2.
> >
> > Not 2 per game. 2 total.
>
> > [@eaglemike](#):
> >
> > IMO the Spurs made life difficult for themselves. I saw several bad passes, some poorly chosen shots, some lack of execution - like they were losing the good habits they had developed last season. They need to tighten up the execution and decision making. It seems like the Spurs would get a lead, relax a little, get sloppy, and boom - Dallas was back in the game.
> >
> > Other Spurs’ players made life harder for Luke. There was one instance that comes to mind, a forced pass to Luke that had no chance of a good outcome. If I went back and watched the game I’m sure I could find other plays that were flawed as well.
> >
> > The young guys all have great athletic ability, and sometimes rely on that too much at times. Spacing and execution on top of that athleticism will create easier wins. Castle is amazing, but had a string of inefficient plays is one example. IMO he has the potential to be one of the top players in the league.
> >
> > It was a win, but harder than it needed to be. Get those good habits going again, and the wins will flow!
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