# \[PtR\] 复盘马刺负于勇士：我们学到了什么？
**URL:** https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/43584
**Category:** 环球刺讯
**Tags:** 2025-26赛季, 维克托-文班亚马
**Created:** [2025 年11 月 13 日 21:00 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/43584 "2025-11-13T21:00:03Z")
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### 作者：  [@PtR](https://chinaspurs.com/u/PtR)
#### 发布日期： [2025 年11 月 13 日 21:00 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/43584/1 "2025-11-13T21:00:04Z")
By Charlie Thaddeus | Pounding The Rock (PtR), 2025-11-14 04:26:10
_由生成式 AI 翻译，译文内容可能不准确或不完整，以原文为准。_
嗯，至少球场地板看起来还挺不错的？
这场比赛基本上凸显了当前这支圣安东尼奥马刺队的所有优点和缺点。所有的希望与潜力，都伴随着那些粗糙的棱角——在球队能成就任何伟业之前，这些棱角都必须被磨平。他们需要学会在对手手感火热时如何浇灭其势头，需要学会如何打满完整的48分钟，更需要赢下像这样的一场比赛。这并非关乎排名、舆论或其他任何东西，而是因为他们还从未做到过。
马刺必须证明自己。当然，是向我们证明，但更主要是向他们自己证明。这个赛季将会给他们带来一个又一个的考验，而在他们展示出自己拥有答案之前，我们只能默认他们没有。而且，这其实并非抱怨。这些事本就艰难。斯蒂芬·库里 (Stephen Curry) 是这项运动历史上最伟大的球员之一，他今晚打出了一场真正历史级的表现。当他像那样进入状态时，你本就不可能凭直觉就知道如何阻止他。这不合常理。
我知道你不希望对单场比赛反应过度，但这场比赛给人的感觉，就像是又一次印证了我们早已预料到的马刺的弱点。战绩看起来很亮眼，防守数据看起来很亮眼，天赋也同样亮眼。所有积极的方面都声势浩大，足以淹没底下那微弱却持续存在的嗡鸣声——那声音在说，或许，仅仅是或许，他们还没到那个火候。他们年轻，他们会打得草率，当更聪明、更老练的球队改变交战规则时，他们无法有效执行。这套阵容的天赋掩盖了许多瑕疵，当一切顺利时，他们看起来不可思议；而当事与愿违时，场面就显得十分挣扎。而真相，一如既往，存在于两者之间。
这是一个令人满意的结论吗？或许不是。我可以告诉你，写下这些文字的感觉也并不令人满意。
但我也不确定现在还能有什么别的结论。这支球队一直以来都处于一种持续性的不稳定状态。他们完全符合一支试图实现飞跃的年轻队伍的所有特征，并且正在发现，所谓的飞跃，与其说是“优雅的腾飞”，不如说是“在悬崖峭壁上的艰难攀爬”。这很可能就是本赛季的主旋律。过程是凌乱的，结果是起伏的。在我们能从这支球队身上看到一些新东西之前，关于他们的讨论只会让人觉得在不断重复。
我们今晚学到的，和我们一直在学到的是同一件事：马刺的重建进度已经超前，但显然仍处于施工阶段。这没关系。这只是意味着，像今晚这样的失利会不断发生，直到它们不再发生为止。
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# 几点观察
- 听着，有些失利纯粹是因为库里就是库里。抱歉，我应该说得更具体些。斯蒂芬·C。抱歉，我得再说清楚点。斯蒂芬·库里。全场46分，其中22分来自第三节，打得就像是他在为某场考试临时抱佛脚一样。他在某项年龄段的纪录上追平了迈克尔·乔丹 (Michael Jordan)，在另一项上超越了勒布朗 (LeBron)，而且这一切都是在他据称“生着病”打背靠背第二场比赛的情况下完成的。我在这儿抱怨了半天，但其实我自己也不知道当他开启那种模式时，究竟该如何应对。老实说，我不确定有谁知道。近二十年来，人们一直在试图破解这个难题。如果你想对马刺今晚的遭遇保持冷静和理性，请自便。而我，为了以防万一，总是将自己的情绪基线维持在一种轻度歇斯底里的水平，但就像我说的，你随意就好。
- 你听说了维克托·文班亚马 (Victor Wembanyama) 很高的好消息吗？这太棒了。他真的很高，而且他非常擅长利用自己的身高。这在打篮球时是一个巨大的优势！你知道还有什么很酷吗？马刺队里很多其他球员也都很高。他们身材高大、臂展惊人、运动能力出色，再说一次，这一切都太棒了。这基本上让他们在每个防守回合中都赢在了起跑线上，因为对手在做任何事之前都必须先应对他们的体型。但我迫切希望马刺解锁的，是“利用身高”之后的下一步，因为坦白说，我认为他们还没做到。我们在周一对阵芝加哥时看到了这一点，昨晚又再次目睹。一旦对手适应了这种身体层面的挑战，马刺必须能够做出相应的调整。对手会用大量的空切、掩护和持续不断的移动来削弱马刺的身高优势。他们会颠覆攻防范式，寻找角度，创造出空位出手机会。马刺很高大，但没有人高大到能覆盖所有区域。现在他们给人的感觉就像一把钝器，其效力是有限的。
- 我想我们应该讨论一下双人三双，对吧？同一支球队在同一场比赛中有两名球员拿到三双，这可不是常有的事。这绝对是一个罕见的现象。我记得这好像只发生过20次左右？别去核查这个数据，但相信我，这很罕见。（事实上，有个原则就是，永远别对我的话做事实核查。）再加上他们是在一场失利中做到这一点，这就让这件事变得相当特别了。老实说，如今如果文班没能染指三双，反而会让人有点失望，但卡斯尔的三双确实是一个惊喜。本赛季至今，他的表现令人印象深刻，如果我们能从开季这一阶段的比赛中得到什么启示的话，那就是我们可以板上钉钉地说，斯蒂芬正在巩固自己作为联盟顶级球员之一的地位。抱歉，我应该说清楚，是斯蒂芬·C。抱歉，我得再说清楚点，是斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle)。
- 球场地板真的很好看。我过去曾公开表示，马刺过于依赖“嘉年华配色”来营造良好氛围和激发球迷热情，我想我在很大程度上仍然坚持这一观点，但另一方面，你又能怎么办呢？这配色看起来太酷炫了。球场地板也太酷炫了。老实说，如果可以的话，这应该成为球队未来的常规主场地板。他们当初为什么要停止使用这些颜色？难道是2002年所有体育联盟都收到了某个一刀切的声明，法律上要求大家停止做那些人们真正喜欢的酷炫事情吗？
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# WWL 赛后新闻发布会
_– 你有权宣布任何人都不能对你进行事实核查吗？_
– 我很确定我想宣布什么都可以。这是写在内部章程里的？
_– 什么章程？_
– 你知道的，就是那个章程。那些原则，那些基础。都写在里面。
_– 好吧，但是，这些章程是谁颁布的？它们从哪儿来的？_
– 管理机构。
_– 哪个管理机构？_
– 负责决定其如何运作的那个。
_– 决定“什么”如何运作？_
– 那个组织啊？
_– 哪个组织？_
– 主管那些章程的那个。
_– 但那是谁在做呢？_
– 那些人。
_– 他们是真实存在的吗？_
– 足够真实。
_– 我可能得查查这事了。_
– 我很确定这是不被允许的。
> **点击查看原文：What We Learned from the Spurs loss to the Warriors**
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> # What We Learned from the Spurs loss to the Warriors
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> 
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> Well, at least the court looked nice?
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> This was a game that basically highlighted everything good and bad about this current iteration of the San Antonio Spurs. All the promise and potential coupled with the rough edges that simply must get sanded off before anything of substance can get accomplished around here. They need to figure out how to pour cold water on an opponent when they’re heating up. They need to play a full 48 minutes. They need win games like this. Not because of the standings or the narrative or anything like that, but because they haven’t done it yet.
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> The Spurs have to prove it. To us, sure, but mostly to themselves. This season is going to hand them test after test, and until they show they have the answers, we’re allowed to assume they don’t. And look, that’s not really a complaint. This stuff is hard. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, and he put together an actual historic performance. You’re not supposed to just instinctively know how to stop him when he gets going like that. It isn’t intuitive.
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> I know you don’t want to overreact to a single game, but this one felt like another example of the Spurs being exposed in the ways we already suspected. The record looks impressive. The defensive metrics look impressive. The talent is impressive. All the positives are loud enough to drown out the quiet but persistent hum underneath that maybe, just maybe, they aren’t quite there yet. They’re young. They get sloppy. They don’t execute when a smarter, more seasoned team changes the terms of engagement. The talent on this roster papers over a lot of flaws, and when it works it looks incredible. When it doesn’t, it looks rough. The truth, as always, lives in the middle.
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> Is that a satisfying conclusion? Probably not. I can tell you it doesn’t feel satisfying to write.
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> But I’m not sure what else there is right now. This team has been consistently inconsistent. They check every box of a young group trying to make the leap and discovering that the leap is less “graceful ascension” and more “scrambling up the side of a cliff.” This is probably going to be the story of the season. The work is messy. The results are uneven. And the conversations are going to feel repetitive until the team starts giving us something new to say.
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> What we learned tonight is the same thing we’ve been learning: the Spurs are ahead of schedule, but still very much under construction. And that’s fine. It just means nights like this will keep happening until they don’t anymore.
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> Takeaways
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> - Look, some of this is just Steph doing Steph things. Sorry, I should specify. Steph C. Sorry, I should specify again. Steph Curry. Forty six points. Twenty two of them in the third like he was cramming for a test or something. He tied Michael Jordan in one age category, passed LeBron in another, and did all of this on the second night of a back to back while allegedly “sick.” I’m doing a lot of complaining for someone who doesn’t exactly know how you’re supposed to deal with him when he turns into this version of himself. Honestly, I’m not sure anyone does. People have been trying to solve this for almost two decades. You’re welcome to stay calm and rational about what happened to the Spurs tonight it if you want. I’m always operating at a baseline level of mildly hysterical just in case, but like I said, you do you.
> - Have you heard the good news that Victor Wembanyama is tall? It’s awesome. He’s really tall and he’s really good at being tall. It’s a huge advantage when it comes to playing basketball! You know what else is cool? A lot of the other Spurs players are tall too. They are tall and rangy and athletic and, again, this is all amazing. It basically allows them to start every defensive possession on second base because the other team is forced to reckon with that size before they can do anything else. The thing I’m desperate for the Spurs to unlock is the part that comes after being tall because, frankly, I don’t think they are there yet. We saw it against Chicago on Monday and we saw it again last night. Once teams adjust to the physical scale of the challenge, the Spurs have to be able to adjust back. Teams are going to throw cuts and screens and constant movement at the Spurs to undercut their size advantages. They are going to flip the paradigm and find angles and generate open looks. The Spurs are big, but no one is big enough to cover everything. Right now they feel like a blunt instrument and it’s effective only to a point.
> - I guess we should discuss the double triple-doubles, yeah? Two guys getting one on the same team in the same game is not something that just happens. It is a legitimately rare occurrence. I think it has only happened like 20 times before? Don’t fact check that, but trust me, it’s rare. (In fact, as a rule, never fact check me.) Throw in the fact that they did it in a losing effort and we have something pretty special on our hands. It is honestly sort of disappointing when Wemby is not sniffing around one these days, but Castle’s was a really nice surprise. He has been so impressive so far this season, and if we take nothing else from this first stretch of games it should be that we can go ahead and put it in the papers that Steph is cementing himself as one of the top players in the league. Sorry, I should clarify, Steph C. Sorry, I should clarify again, Steph Castle.
> - The court really did look nice. I have been on the record in the past saying the Spurs rely too heavily on the Fiesta colors to pump in good vibes and fan enthusiasm, and I think I still stand by that take for the most part, but also, like, what are you going to do? The colors look rad. The court looks rad. It should probably just be the court from now on if we’re being honest. Why did they stop using these colors in the first place? Was there some blanket statement that went out to every sports league in 2002 that legally required everyone to stop doing cool stuff that people actually like?
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> WWL Post Game Press Conference
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> _– Are you allowed to declare that no one should fact check you?_
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> – I’m pretty sure I can declare anything I want. It’s in the bylaws?
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> _– What bylaws?_
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> – You know, the bylaws. The principles. The foundations. It’s in there.
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> _– Right but, who issued these bylaws? Where did they come from?_
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> – The governing body.
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> _– Which one?_
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> – The one in charge of deciding how it operates.
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> _– How what operates?_
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> – The organization?
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> _– WHICH organization?_
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> – The one that presides over the bylaws.
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> _– But who does that?_
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> – The people
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> _– Are they real?_
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> – Real enough.
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> _– I might have to look into this_.
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> – Pretty sure that isn’t allowed.
By Charlie Thaddeus, via [Pounding The Rock](https://www.poundingtherock.com/spurs-analysis/89809/what-we-learned-from-the-spurs-loss-to-the-warriors)
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### 作者：  [@PtR](https://chinaspurs.com/u/PtR)
#### 发布日期： [2025 年11 月 14 日 02:20 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/43584/2 "2025-11-14T02:20:05Z")
# 精彩评论：
_由生成式 AI 翻译，译文内容可能不准确或不完整，以原文为准。_
> [@pejoweho](#):
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> 米奇赛后说周五的比赛将会有“巨大调整”，这勾起了我的好奇心。（我猜测/希望其中一个调整是给索汉更多的上场时间，但这似乎更像是一个合乎常理的小调整，而非巨大调整。）
> [@sdowns1470](#):
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> 我算是见识到了追梦对裁判那惊人的影响力。追梦对德文的三分球投篮有一次明显的犯规，被吹罚后给了德文一个2+1的机会。科尔挑战了这次判罚，虽然挑战失败，但追梦的反应是完全不可接受的。我不知道为什么裁判会允许这种事情发生，还让他逃脱了处罚。科尔也需要告诉追梦，不是每次判罚都值得去挑战，并且在这种情况下他应该拿出主教练的权威。
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> 正是从那之后，场上的势头发生了逆转，我们怎么投都投不进，也得不到任何对我们有利的哨子。勇士队全场获得了34次罚球，而我们只有16次，这太疯狂了。即便我们是主队，我们也没得到多少有利的判罚。我认为米奇有时候需要公开指出这种吹罚尺度上的差异，因为这太荒谬了。库里一个人的罚球数就和我们全队一样多，在我看来，这根本就不应该发生。
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> 面对这种吹罚差异，米奇需要拿出更强硬的态度。客队的罚球数是主队的两倍还多，这太不正常了。维克托和卡斯尔本应获得多得多的罚球，因为他们一直在被对手侵犯。看着勇士队球员稍微一碰就得到哨子，而我们的球员却得不到任何吹罚，这比赛看得真憋屈。NBA说维克托是联盟未来的门面，但从他从裁判那里得到的待遇来看，我很难相信这一点。
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> 同样的事情昨晚也差点发生在活塞队身上，尽管他们最后赢了11分。公牛队获得了28次罚球，而活塞队只有16次，但活塞最终还是以124-113战胜了公牛。如果我们昨晚能获得和勇士一样多的罚球，我们就能在主场迎来一场大胜；如果活塞队能获得28次罚球，他们赢的分数绝不止11分。我不知道为什么NBA就是不愿承认，在吹罚方面，有些球队总是吃亏的一方。
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> 我希望米奇和球员们明天能带着复仇的决心回归，赢下这场杯赛。比赛将在亚马逊Prime上直播，所以我和我妈妈明天看不了。我们周日要对阵萨克拉门托（国王队），那应该会是一场有趣的下午场比赛。底特律雄狮队（NFL）的比赛是在周日晚上对阵费城，所以我很高兴两场比赛时间没有像往常那样冲突。这应该是福克斯第一次在主场对阵他的前东家，我想他会充满动力的。
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> 我觉得有些人对昨晚的失利反应过度了，这种失利有时在所难免。更重要的是在明天的比赛前找出问题所在，并做出调整。我希望杰里米没事，明天能上场比赛，但我们还得拭目以待。福克斯会找回他的节奏的，我对此并不担心，毕竟他已经有近8个月没打球了。球队正在重新适应他，化学反应的建立需要时间，但很快就会到来的。
> [@2yrTimeline](#):
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> 我没什么新发现，但我要重申，不让索汉上场简直是纯属扯淡。我需要一个合理的解释！
> [@HRutherfordHill](#):
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> 没有所谓的虽败犹荣，但这支球队一直以来打得这么草率，也该遭遇一次挫折了。
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> 这是学习和纠错的好机会。这是一支年轻的球队，成长的阵痛在所难免。
> [@SPURS COSTA](#):
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> 米奇·约翰逊 (Mitch Johnson) 在执教上被勇士队的科尔教练完全压制了。当卡斯尔陷入犯规麻烦时，“库里大厨”本该面对更多的索汉防守。
> [@Pamarillo](#):
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> 我发现，福克斯在两个赛季内成为队内第三好的后卫是完全有可能的。而那将是一个幸福的烦恼。
> [@JoSpurs](#):
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> 我来自意大利。
> 我觉得我们得冷静下来。
> 两年前雷霆队才刚打进附加赛，现在他们已经是联盟顶尖了。
> 我们不能要求我们的球队去做他们还没准备好做的事，也不能因为他们没达到我们的梦想就去抱怨。
> 我们忘了这是一支新军，目前的阵容才组建两年。
> 新的教练，新的领袖，新的轮换阵容。
> 现在是时候巩固球队，为每个球员找到自己的“定位”了。
> 然后，找到并不断重复我们的比赛风格：用最简单的方式得分，用最简单的方式防守。
> [@GdayMate8](#):
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> 也许因为我是个怀旧的90年代老球迷吧，但我真的太爱那些球衣了。
> **点击查看原文：**
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> #
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> > [@pejoweho](#):
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> > Mitch saying after the game that there will be “drastic changes” made for Friday’s game has my curiosity piqued. (I assume/hope one change will be playing Sochan more, but that seems more like a minor common sense adjustment than a drastic change.)
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> > [@sdowns1470](#):
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> > I learned that Draymond has insane power on the referees. Draymond got called for the obvious foul on Devin’s 3 which gave Devin an and-1. Kerr challenged the call and while it didn’t get overturned, the reaction from Draymond was unacceptable. I don’t know why the referees allow this to happen and let him get away with it. Kerr also needs to tell Draymond that not everything is worth challenging and assert himself in situations like that.
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> > It was after that the momentum changed and we couldn’t buy a shot or a foul call in our favor. Golden State finished with 34 free throws and we finished with 16 which is insane. We didn’t get a lot of calls in our favor even though we are the home team. I think that Mitch needs to call out the discrepancy sometimes because that’s ridiculous. Curry had as many free throws as our entire team and in my opinion, that shouldn’t happen.
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> > Mitch needs to assert himself when it comes to discrepancies like that. It’s not right that an opposing team has more than double the home team’s free throws. Victor and Castle should have had way more free throws than they did because they keep getting hacked. It’s really not fun to watch Golden State get calls when our guys barely touch them but we can’t get a call. The NBA says Victor is the future face of the league but I have a hard time believing it because of the treatment he gets from the referees.
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> > The same thing almost happened to the Pistons last night even thought they won by 11. The Bulls had 28 free throws to the Pistons 16 free throws but Pistons won 124-113 over the Bulls. If we got as many free throws as Golden State did last night we win in a blowout at home and if the Pistons got 28 free throw attempts, they win by a lot more than 11. I don’t know why the NBA can’t admit that some teams get the short end of the stick in this regard.
> >
> > I hope Mitch and the guys come back tomorrow with a vengeance and win the cup game. The game is on Amazon Prime so my mom and I won’t be able to watch the game tomorrow. We play Sacramento on Sunday so that should be an interesting game in the afternoon. The Lions play Sunday night in Philadelphia so I’m glad they don’t coincide like they sometimes do. This will be the first time Fox plays his former team at home, I think and he’ll be motivated.
> >
> > I think some people are overreacting to last night’s loss as that is going to happen sometimes. It’s better to figure out what went wrong before the game tomorrow and make adjustments. I hope Jeremy’s okay and can play tomorrow but we’ll have to wait and see what happens. Fox will find his rhythm as I am not worried about it as he hadn’t played in almost 8 months. They are adjusting to him again and chemistry will take time to develop and it will get here soon.
>
> > [@2yrTimeline](#):
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> > I didn’t learn, but will reiterate, it’s utter bullshit not to play Sochan. I want a valid explanation!
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> > [@HRutherfordHill](#):
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> > No such thing as a good loss, but this team was due a setback playing sloppy like they have been.
> >
> > Good opportunity to learn and correct. This is a young team so growing pains are expected.
>
> > [@SPURS COSTA](#):
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> > Mitch Johnson was severly outcoached vs. warrios by Coach Kerr. Cheff Steph should have seen a lot more Sochan when Castle got into foul trouble.
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> > [@Pamarillo](#):
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> > I learned its quite realistically possible Fox will be the third best guard on the team within two seasons. And thats a happy problem.
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> > [@JoSpurs](#):
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> > I from Italy.
> > I think we hsve to calm down.
> > 2 years ago OKC Made The play in and now Theo are The top in The league.
> > We cannot ask our team to be what they are not ready to be and complain if they are not what we dream.
> > We forget Thiaw is a new team two years old in This conformation.
> > New coach, new leaders and new rotation.
> > This is The time to consolid The team and find a “job” for every player.
> > Then, find and repeat our play style: The simple way to score, The simple way to defende.
>
> > [@GdayMate8](#):
> >
> > Maybe it’s because I’m a nostalgic 90s guy, but I love those uniforms.
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