# \[PtR\] 从马刺不敌湖人一役中，我们学到了什么
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**Category:** 环球刺讯
**Tags:** 杰里米-索汉, 2025-26赛季, 蒂姆-邓肯, 米奇-约翰逊, 维克托-文班亚马, 大卫-罗宾逊, 斯蒂芬-卡斯尔
**Created:** [2025 年11 月 6 日 15:00 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/43486 "2025-11-06T15:00:11Z")
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### 作者：  [@PtR](https://chinaspurs.com/u/PtR)
#### 发布日期： [2025 年11 月 6 日 15:00 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/43486/1 "2025-11-06T15:00:11Z")
By Jacob Douglas | Pounding The Rock (PtR), 2025-11-06 22:56:49
_由生成式 AI 翻译，译文内容可能不准确或不完整，以原文为准。_
“要严于律己，从而做到喜欢并拥抱那些枯燥乏味的事情。”
在揭幕战当晚，圣安东尼奥马刺队击败达拉斯独行侠队后，这句话在篮球网络圈中广为流传。快进几周，米奇·约翰逊 (Mitch Johnson) 的这番话似乎并未在这支年轻的球队中留下深刻烙印。
周三晚上，马刺以116-118不敌缺兵少将的洛杉矶湖人队，他们是输给了自己。这是他们连续第二场失利，比赛中他们不再是更具侵略性的一方，犯下了低级失误，看起来完全不像赛季初取得5胜0负的那支球队。
有些时候，圣安东尼奥队看起来更像是两年前那支只赢了22场比赛的队伍，而不是那支在取得五连胜后，用季后赛级别的庆祝方式宣称自己已准备好赢球的球队。或许是因为年轻，或许是关键球员因伤缺阵，又或许是骄傲自满。但无论原因如何，这样的表现都无法赢得比赛。
周三晚上，马刺队的低级失误层出不穷。他们草率的边线发球被对手抢断；他们在抢下防守篮板后，还没过半场就出现失误；他们让对手在罚球不中和远投不中后抢到进攻篮板；他们让对手在篮下突破了双人包夹；他们还出现了一次回场违例（公平地说，这个球很难避免）；他们罚失了关键的罚球；他们甚至在球还没过半场时就犯下愚蠢的犯规，中了马库斯·斯马特 (Marcus Smart) 的造犯规陷阱。
这看起来不像是一支纪律严明的球队。然而，即便如此，他们还是设法在与湖人队的比赛中保持了悬念。试想一下，如果他们能将这些可避免的错误降到最低，这支球队能取得怎样的成就。这仍然是一支天赋异禀的球队，但他们似乎需要一记警钟和一些调整。也许，这次0胜2负的西海岸客场之旅足以让他们警醒。
## 赛后观察：
- 一场比赛吹多少次犯规才算够？66次怎么样？这甚至算不上一场身体对抗激烈的比赛。周三晚上，裁判对两队都吹了太多“体毛哨”。圣安东尼奥队有三名球员犯满离场，而洛杉矶队也有三名球员身背五次犯规。结果，一场篮球比赛变成了一场罚球大战。马刺和湖人合计获得了84次罚球机会，湖人罚中34球，马刺罚中31球。最终，圣安东尼奥队输了2分。
- 维克托·文班亚马 (Victor Wembanyama) 还没能适应对手防守他的新方式。对手在他接球前就对他进行双人包夹，并且整晚都与他进行激烈的身体对抗。他连续第二场比赛表现低于水准，在第四节犯满离场前，得到19分、8个篮板和1次盖帽。如果文班亚马真的是联盟前五的球员，他必须解决这个问题。不仅他自己需要找到克服挑战的方法，教练组和他的队友们也需要想办法让他处于更有利的位置。
- 斯蒂芬·卡斯尔 (Stephon Castle) 是周三比赛中失误最多的球员。在马刺全队19次失误中，他一人就占了6次。不过，他也送出了8次助攻并得到16分。在第三节，正是他带领马刺打出一波攻势，一度建立起12分的领先优势。他仍然是一位出色的年轻球员，但他被错误地安排在了主控后卫的位置上。感觉如果马刺队中有迪伦·哈珀 (Dylan Harper) 这样的球员来分担持球压力，周三的比赛结果可能会有所不同。当球转移到卡斯尔手中后，作为一名能够通过高速切入或弱侧突破摧毁对手防线的第二组织点，他将大放异彩。等到德阿隆·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox) 回归后，我们很可能很快就会看到这一幕。
- 马刺队有一些明显的阵容短板，这些问题应该会在伤员回归后得到填补。他们需要一位稳健的主攻发起点。福克斯将能胜任这一角色，并为球队提供另一个进攻引擎，以吸引对手对文班的防守注意力。或许更紧迫的是，当文班亚马下场休息时，他们需要一个能护筐的大个子。凯利·奥利尼克 (Kelly Olynyk) 是一位可靠的空间型大个子，但他从来都不是一名护筐手。卢克·科内特 (Luke Kornet) 本周已经开始训练，所以他应该很快就会回归。
- 除了最后犯满离场，杰里米·索汉 (Jeremy Sochan) 的回归之战表现堪称完美。他得到16分，且只投失了一球。他在攻防两端的切入、防守和拼劲都是球队所需要的。他命中了一记无人防守的底角三分，展示了他改进后的跳投姿势。在他回归之前，曾有人质疑他将如何融入球队。周三晚上的表现应该能打消其中一些顾虑。
> **点击查看原文：What we learned from the Spurs loss to the Lakers**
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> # What we learned from the Spurs loss to the Lakers
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> “Be disciplined to be disciplined to like and embrace the boring.”
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> Those words echoed throughout basketball cyberspace after the San Antonio Spurs dismantled the Dallas Mavericks on opening night. Flash forward a few weeks, and it doesn’t seem like Mitch Johnson’s words have necessarily stuck with his young team.
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> The Spurs beat themselves on Wednesday night in a 118-116 loss to the shorthanded Los Angeles Lakers. It’s the second straight loss where they weren’t the aggressors, made silly mistakes, and looked nothing like the team that started the season 5-0.
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> There were times when San Antonio looked more like the team from two years ago that won 22 games, rather than a team that proclaimed they were ready to win in a playoff-esque celebration after their fifth straight victory. Maybe it’s youth. Perhaps it’s key players missing games with injuries. Maybe it’s hubris. Whatever it is, it won’t get the job done.
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> The silly mistakes piled up for the Spurs on Wednesday night. They made sloppy inbound passes that got swiped away. They committed turnovers before clearing the ball after a defensive rebound. They allowed offensive rebounds off free throws and long misses. They allowed players to split double teams under the basket. They committed a back-court violation (this one was tough to avoid, to be fair). They missed crucial free throws. They committed silly fouls before the ball even crossed half-court, falling for Marcus Smart’s foul-baiting.
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> It didn’t look like a very disciplined team. And yet, they still found a way to stay in the game against the Lakers. Imagine what the team could accomplish if they just minimized these avoidable mistakes. This is still a talented team, but it seems like they need a bit of a wake-up call and a few adjustments. Maybe a 0-2 West Coast road trip will be enough to make that happen.
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> ## Takeaways:
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> - How many fouls are enough? How does 66 sound to you? This wasn’t a very physical game, either. There were so many soft fouls called on both teams Wednesday night. San Antonio had three players foul out, and Los Angeles had three players with five fouls. The result was a free-throw fest disguised as a basketball game. The Spurs and Lakers combined to shoot 84 free throws. The Lakers made 34 and the Spurs made 31. San Antonio lost by 2.
> - Victor Wembanyama has not adjusted to the new way defenses are guarding him. They are sending doubles before he even touches the ball, and playing very physically with him all night. He had his second sub-par game in a row, finishing with 19 points, 8 rebounds, and a block before fouling out in the fourth quarter. If Wembanyama really is a top-5 player in the league, he’s got to figure this out. Not only does he need to figure out how to overcome the challenge, but the coaching staff and his teammates need to find ways to put him in advantageous situations.
> - Stephon Castle was the biggest turnover perpetrator on Wednesday. He had 6 of the Spurs’ 19 turnovers. He also had 8 assists and 16 points. He led the Spurs on the run that built them a 12-point lead in the third quarter. He’s still an awesome young player, but he’s been miscast as a lead guard. It felt as if the Spurs just had Dylan Harper to alleviate the ball-handling load; Wednesday’s result might have been different. Castle will thrive as a secondary creator who can crush teams on stampede cuts or weakside drives after the ball swings to him. We’ll likely get to see that in action somewhat soon when De’Aaron Fox returns.
> - The Spurs have some glaring roster holes that should be filled when players return from injury. They need a steady hand as the lead initiator. Fox will provide that and give them another offensive engine to draw teams away from Wemby. Maybe even more desperately, they need a big man who can protect the rim when Wembanyama sits. Kelly Olynyk is a solid stretch big, but he’s never been a rim protector. Luke Kornet was practicing this week, so he should be back soon.
> - Minus fouling out, Jeremy Sochan’s return was about as good as it could have been. He had 16 points and only missed one shot. His cutting, defense, and effort were needed on both ends. He knocked down a wide-open corner three, showing off his improved jump shot form. There were questions about how he’ll fit in with the team upon return. Wednesday night’s performance should quell some of those concerns.
By Jacob Douglas, via [Pounding The Rock](https://www.poundingtherock.com/spurs-analysis/89411/what-we-learned-from-the-spurs-loss-to-the-lakers)
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### 作者：  [@PtR](https://chinaspurs.com/u/PtR)
#### 发布日期： [2025 年11 月 7 日 01:50 UTC](https://chinaspurs.com/t/topic/43486/2 "2025-11-07T01:50:05Z")
# 精彩评论：
_由生成式 AI 翻译，译文内容可能不准确或不完整，以原文为准。_
> [@Floyd Kizzie Jr.](#):
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> 我的浅见：
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> 1. 我还没看评论，所以我的看法可能有点逆势而行。但就比赛强度和能量而言，我为这支球队的表现感到骄傲。
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> 2. 我们需要一名老将控卫……幸运的是我们已经有了一位，不需要再去寻觅了。
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> 3. 我看到很多评论在比较蒂米（邓肯）和文班，并且对后者持负面看法。文班身边没有一个大卫·罗宾逊 (David Robinson)，也没有经历过季后赛洗礼和经验丰富的阵容。简而言之，他正在“边造飞机边开飞机”。而蒂米加入的是一架已经造好的飞机，更不用说他当时年龄更大，作为球员也更成熟。
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> 4. 文班需要投更多的三分球。这是让他与众不同的能力之一。
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> 5. 比赛输在了篮板上，我们或许应该考虑让索汉和文班一起首发。JC和HB都是三号位球员，而不是四号位。
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> 6. 补充一点……索汉是个真正的球员。
> [@PJ-Spurs](#):
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> 我们认识到，季前赛时的想法至今仍然是合理的。
> 我们仍是一支在成长中的球队，还不是一个成品。
> 队里有些事情很有希望，但同样也会有成长的阵痛。
> 每一位有望进入常规轮换的球员都带来了积极的东西。当他们缺阵时，我们会想念他们的贡献；当他们回归并为球队带来这些积极因素时，我们会心存感激。
> 作为球迷，我们不够耐心，因为我们总在想象这支球队全员健康时能达到什么高度，在经历了这么多年后我们迫切地想要体验那种感觉，这完全可以理解。但我们必须提醒自己，即使全员健康，我们仍然会有成长的阵痛，必须经历完整的学习过程，才能兑现这支球队和这套阵容的全部潜力。
> 在赛季开始前，7场比赛后取得5胜2负的战绩是合理的，可能很多人也预料到了。
> 10场比赛后取得7胜3负的战绩在赛季初也是合理的，并且仍然可以实现。对于一支胜率低于五成太久的球队来说，赢下70%的比赛并不算差。
> 作为球迷，我们赢球时捧得太高，输球时又踩得太低，这也是我们之所以是这支球队拥趸的一部分原因。在三巨头时代，我们或许更为“淡定”，但我猜这两种情况在某种程度上都反映了场上（以及场下）那支球队的状态。
> [@pejoweho](#):
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> 来自\*《The Athletic》\*的扎克·哈珀 (Zach Harper) 对马刺良好开局的可持续性发表了看法：
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> > 圣安东尼奥马刺 (5-2)
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> > 进攻效率 116.7 (联盟第13) | 防守效率 109.6 (联盟第2) | 净效率 +7.1 (联盟第4)
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> > 值得相信的理由： 当维克托·文班亚马 (Victor Wembanyama) 在场时，这支球队的防守几乎是历史顶级的。他们展现出的统治力是我们自蒂姆·邓肯 (Tim Duncan) 时代以来未曾见过的。而且他们还得等德阿龙·福克斯 (De’Aaron Fox) 回归。
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> > 值得怀疑的理由： 他们极其年轻，并且三分线防守不佳。当文班不在场时，他们必须打得更好才行。
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> > 可持续性评分： 8/10。在这一点上，我就是文班一切的信徒。
> [@Obi-WanGinobili](#):
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> 我讨厌这场比赛的一切，再也不想回忆起它。这场比赛简直要把我对篮球的热爱给磨没了。
> [@michael1960](#):
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> 球员们在进攻端常常看起来完全迷失了方向。对于一支职业篮球队来说，这是不可原谅的。举个例子，当文班被包夹时，他们应该确切地知道该怎么做来让对方付出代价，因为这套战术应该已经演练过上百次了，而不是靠临场去琢磨。
> [@pejoweho](#):
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> 来自\*《The Athletic》\*的报道……
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> > 周三晚上，在湖人以118-116击败文班亚马和马刺队后，他们通过努力将他挤出舒适区、让他打得不舒服这件事，似乎变得不那么重要了。他们迫使他出现5次失误和6次犯规，并把他得分限制在仅19分这件事，也同样如此。
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> > 不，在更衣室里，湖人球员们知道，他们刚刚与之抗衡的这个家伙只会变得更强，并可能很快就无人可挡。
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> > “这只是他在NBA的第三年——但他已经打出了MVP水准，这太疯狂了，”湖人球星卢卡·东契奇 (Luka Dončić) 在获胜后说道。“所以我非常尊敬他，非常喜欢他，并且我真的很欣赏他的比赛。与他对阵非常艰难。防守他，在进攻端面对他，都非常艰难。”
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> > 湖人队的教练和球员们表示，文班亚马作为一名组织者仍需成长，并且他仍在学习如何驾驭自己巨大的身体优势。但他们也说，他已经是一个独一无二的难题。
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> > “我们比赛计划的核心就是对攻防两端的文班保持警惕，”湖人主教练JJ·雷迪克 (JJ Redick) 在赛前说。“在防守端，我们给球队看了一些片段，当你杀入禁区时，你可能以为自己能轻松上篮，但他会像变魔术一样不知从哪冒出来封盖你的投篮。他能覆盖的空间范围，几乎就像他可以同时出现在两个地方一样。”
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> > 除了俄克拉荷马城雷霆队，没有谁能感觉自己正稳步迈向争冠行列。其他所有球队都在冲刺。这就是为什么西部联盟的球队不能把眼光放得太长远。他们现在占得先机，但人们似乎都知道，文班亚马和他那长长的步伐终将追上他们。
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> > [https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6783119/2025/11/06/victor-wembanyama-future-plan-spurs-lakers/](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6783119/2025/11/06/victor-wembanyama-future-plan-spurs-lakers/)
> **点击查看原文：**
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> > [@Floyd Kizzie Jr.](#):
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> > My Dime:
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> > 1. Have not read comments yet, so this maybe a little contrarian take. I am proud about how this team played as far as the intensity and energy.
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> > 2. We need a Vet PG..Luckily we have one and don’t need to go looking.
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> > 3. I see many comments comparing Timmy and Wemby, with negativity towards the latter. Wemby does not have a David Robinson, and playoff harden and experienced roster. He is in short building the plane and flying it. Timmy came into a well built plane, not to mention he was older and more formed as a player.
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> > 4. Wemby needs to shoot more 3s. It is part of what makes him special.
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> > 5. The games was lost by not rebounding, we may want to consider starting Sochan with Wemby. Both JC and HB are 3s not 4s.
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> > 6. Bonus..Sochan is a baller
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> > [@PJ-Spurs](#):
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> > We learned that what we thought during preseason is still reasonable.
> > We are still a team in progress and not a finished product.
> > There are some promising things going around, but there will also be growing pains.
> > Every player expected to make the regular rotation brings something positive. We miss players contributions when they are not available and we are grateful when players come back and bring some of those positives to the team.
> > As fans, we are not patient enough because we are imagining what this team can be when at full strength and we desperately want to experience that after all these years, and it’s completely understandable. But we have to remember ourselves that even at full strength, we will still have growing pains and will have to go to the full learning process to reach all the potential this team and roster have.
> > Before the season, being 5-2 after 7 games was reasonable and probably expected by many.
> > Being 7-3 after 10 games was also reasonable before the season started and is still achievable. And winning 70% of the games is not bad for a team that has been under 0.500 for too much time.
> > As fans we go too high with the highs and too low with the lows, and that’s part of what makes us fans of this team. We probably were more “composed” during the big 3 era, but I guess both cases are in part a reflection of the team that is on the court (and on the bench).
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> > [@pejoweho](#):
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> > Zach Harper of _The Athletic_ weighs in on the sustainability of the Spurs’ good start:
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> > > **San Antonio Spurs (5-2)**
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> > > 116.7 off. rating (13th) | 109.6 def. rating (2nd) | +7.1 net rating (4th)
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> > > **Why to believe:** This is almost a historically elite defense with Victor Wembanyama on the floor. They dominate in a way we haven’t seen since the Tim Duncan days. And they still need to get De’Aaron Fox back.
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> > > **Why to be skeptical:** They’re incredibly young and don’t defend the 3-point line well. They have to get a lot better when Wemby isn’t on the floor.
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> > > **Sustainability score:** 8/10. I just believe in all things Wemby at this point.
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> > [@Obi-WanGinobili](#):
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> > I hated everything about that game and never want to think of it again. That game tried so hard to destroy my love for basketball.
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> > [@michael1960](#):
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> > Too often, the players look just plain lost on offense. This is inexcusable in a professional basketball team. For example, they should know exactly what to do to make the other term pay when Wemby is doubled because they’ve been over it a hundred times instead of trying to figure it out on the fly.
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> > [@pejoweho](#):
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> > From _The Athletic…_
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> > > After the Lakers beat Wembanyama and the Spurs 118-116 Wednesday night, it didn’t matter that they’d made him look uncomfortable by trying to push him off of his preferred spots. It didn’t matter that they’d forced him into five turnovers and six fouls and held him to just 19 points.
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> > > No, inside the locker room, Lakers players knew that the guy they’d just competed against would only get better and soon might be unstoppable.
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> > > “It’s his third year in the NBA — and he’s playing at an MVP level, which is insane,” Lakers star Luka Dončić said after the win. “So I have much respect for him, much love and I really enjoy his game. Playing against him, it’s very tough. Guarding him, going against him on offense is very tough.”
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> > > Lakers coaches and players said that Wembanyama still needs to grow as a playmaker and that he’s still in the process of harnessing his immense physical advantages. But they also said he’s already a one-of-one problem.
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> > > “The top of this game plan is Wemby awareness on both sides of the floor,” Lakers coach JJ Redick said before the game. “ And defensively, we showed the team a couple clips, when you touch the paint, you may think you have a layup, but he’s gonna just appear magically out of nowhere and block your shot. The space that he’s able to cover, it’s almost like he can be in two places at once.”
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> > > No one, save for the Oklahoma City Thunder, can feel like they’re in a steady climb to contention. Everyone else is in a sprint. It’s why teams in the Western Conference can’t think too big-picture. They’ve got a head start, but people seem to know Wembanyama and those long strides will eventually chase them down.
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> > > [https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6783119/2025/11/06/victor-wembanyama-future-plan-spurs-lakers/](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6783119/2025/11/06/victor-wembanyama-future-plan-spurs-lakers/)
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